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Originally posted by pluckynoonez
I talked to my brother--the math genius--and he says that he wouldve heard of the time-wave if it was based on sound mathematics or science. He says it is probably bogus. I told him to look into it further, to humor me. So I will research further and wait for his input. I want to believe.
That is a very good point! If a pandemic broke out in China, I am sure china will try and keep it under raps for the sake of the Olympics. In turn this would cause the pandemic to spread throughout the world...scary thought.
I'm now in the slightly awkward position of having to use mathematical reasoning to disprove an assertion which hasn't actually be stated in mathematical terms, but which is obviously mathematical in content. There is no doubt that McKenna's timewave is a well-defined (if irrelevant) mathematical function, but any considerations of its interpretation lie ouside the domain of mathematical logic. We must therefore take into account McKenna's argument for the "half twist", for if he as no good argument (as the footnote originally suggested), even he agrees that the theory can no longer be taken seriously.
On a more positive note, I should add that I don't find McKenna's timewave exploit to be completely without value. Certain observations (such as the absence of 5's in the set [h(1),...,h(64)] and the correspondence of the Chinese 13-lunation ritual calendar with six 64-day cycles) are certainly worthy of further consideration. It wouldn't surprise me if a fractal map of temporal resonance was encoded into the King Wen sequence, just as it wouldn't surprise me if something quite remarkable does occur on December 21, 2012. The world can be a very strange place, and we all have much to learn. McKenna's hyper-imaginative speculation has fired the imagination of many. With this particular "theory" he has spread awareness of the I Ching and the Mayan calendar, both fascinating and poorly understood systems of ancient human thought. I should therefore end by suggesting that the remainder of his published thought should not be dismissed as a result of my findings which are discussed here.
McKenna was highly critical of such fields for adhering to what he saw as a flawed Occidental paradigm, and did not seek to create a theory acceptable to the mathematical community. The theory was, however, revised by nuclear physicist John Sheliak after a flaw was discovered by Matthew Watkins.
- Terence McKenna
Recently, while in Mexico at the classic Maya site of Palenque, I made the aquaintance of a young British mathematician and psychokinesiologist named Matthew Watkins. Watkins offered the strongest and most interesting critique of the timewave and the assumptions of its construction yet made. Watkins is confident that he has condensed the theory of the timewave into a formula (given below) and is further convinced that there is no rational basis for assuming that the timewave represents the fluctuation of any quantity which can be meaningfully understood as "novelty".
The results reported here make no final claims as to the validity of the TimeWave as it is expressed by Novelty Theory, nor does it claim that the current TimeWave is the best description of the Novelty process. It does show that the proper mathematical treatment of the FOD number set, produces a TimeWave that appears to be more consistent with known historical process. This consistency is general, however, and more work needs to be done to examine the specific reflections or projections that the TimeWave may be revealing. If Novelty Theory is a valid hypothesis, reflecting a real phenomenon in nature, then one would expect that it is verifiable in specific ways.
It has also seemed appropriate to examine some of the steps in this wave development process in terms of their correspondence with elements of philosophy and science. The flow of Yin and Yang energy reflected in the expression of the forward and reverse bi-directional waves, for example, finds philosophical correspondence in a natural cycle of life-death-rebirth, or in the process of the shamanic journey - immersion, engagement, and return. Correspondence can also be found in science, in the fields of cosmology, astronomy, astrophysics, and quantum physics - the life cycles and motion of heavenly bodies, quarks, and universes; the harmonic and holographic nature of light and wave mechanics; and the cyclic transformation of matter to energy, and energy to matter. The reflection of all natural phenomena and processes over the continuum of existence, from the smallest scales up to the largest scales, must surely include whatever process is occurring in the I-Ching as well. The question is, are we are clever and conscious enough to decipher and express it correctly and appropriately?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by MystikMushroom
John bannet ramsey made the list, but 9/11 didn't.
Sorry, but I say I cannot believe it.
Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Thank you MM (I like the cute coyote by the way...), I will begin reading and also forward the links to my egotistical mathematician brother.
Originally posted by solo1
I tried to follow your logic and admittedly I can be stubborn
I just fail to see the logic.
Though your outcome I believe, and have mentioned a few times on ATS.
That between 08 08 08 and 09 09 09
the S will HTF
and it wont be the trifle 911 was .
Prepare yourselves you will need every scrap of food and items you can buy from now until then to endure what is coming.
Something so big and on a magnitude that warrants
the suspension of Habeas Corpus and for the police to be outfitted with
Military hardware hasnot happened to my Knowledge Since Woodrow Stalin Wilson was in the White house. And He acted out of of ww1
[edit on 1-8-2008 by solo1]