Guardian UFO's?

The reality is that in most cases there will be no evidence, due to the crappy equipment most can afford, and in a few cases where an abductee was attempting to amass evidence, they are simply interfered with, the infrared camera and recorder are rendered useless. The pictures that do come out are usually always debunked where a small group suggests one out of many possibilities and the rest quickly follow suit. So out of 12 possibilities, one is chosen. Of course in many cases that means it has a 1/12 chance of being successfully debunked that way, and so remains a mystery. Not very many people are going to put themselves through that emotional upheaval if they were lucky enough to catch something unusual on camera.
Now if someone really had evidence, it will disappear. That I have read many times, which might explain your story as to the evidence being destroyed. Real evidence is destroyed, and not just by our black ops.
When I telepathically project a message, I don't really call it prayer, as ets are the same as us. In the cosmic galaxy, if we are the 6 year old say, then they are the 12 year old, something I have reminded them of, escpecially when negative activities of government collusion has been disclosed. I remind them that our Parent/God is not going to stand idly by while the 12 year mistreats his little sister. I feel their good intentions frequently, but I'm also aware that our feelings are easy to manipulate. But if they were truly negative, then why didn't they scorch our planet after our governments shot them out of the sky, as many have relayed.
Perhaps, in the end, the increase in sightings was due to your move, and they were showing their support and involvement with you in an overt way.

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reply to post by NephraTari


Hey Neph, I totally understand your frustration. Dont worry about the naysayers...most of them are new and just trying to find their place here.

You what you and your family witnessed was "different" and beyond the scope of your combined understanding. It seems to the casual reader that if you "debunk EVERYTHING" and "scream for EVIDENCE" you will achieve wonderful accolades of pretty blue stars.

Unfortunately, although "evidence" is most helpful (understatement) in trying to intelligently rationalize any mystery....it isnt everything.

This forum exists for discussion of this very subject. (steps down from soapbox...) Now on to your topic...you pose a very interesting question:
Are they Guardians? First you have to determine who "they" are! When you experience a UFO sighting, there are many variables involved ...


* Time...day night ect.
* Duration of sighting.
* Aprox. distance of sighting.
* Weather conditions.
* Number of witnesses.
* Type of (craft/being?)
* Ariel characteristics (stationary/fast moving/slow)
* Sounds, changes in pressure

Literally the list goes on and on...but all these factors matter. The answers are in the details. There is always a undeniable "feeling" you get when witnessing something of this nature. Your question suggests an interesting insight into your "feeling" or subconscious observations of your sightings.

Here is where I can relate. My first sighting was undeniable.
It was NOT a little light in the sky..it was right in my face ( about 20 feet) above us. It was completely unlike the "typical" saucer shaped or round UFO.
It was, in effect a boomerang shape. A crescent moon of chrome, that actually came to sharp points at the end.

Of course..here I am...right underneath this thing, jaw fully open...standing out of my car ...looking at this thing moving very slowly over us. All I could think at the time, as embarrassingly unintelligent as it was..... to see something of this magnitude...my "first contact thoughts" were....

NO F*#%'in WAY!

...I was completely awed...excited..and Neanderthal like. I watched it move silently across the road...behind some trees. I had no camera...and to be honest..if I would have had one in the car....I probably wouldnt have even took the time to grab it ...I was TOTALLY transfixed to watching this thing...and wouldnt have wanted to miss one second of this event... I was trying to figure out what the HELL that was...even if it would have ramifications later when trying to tell people just what you saw...I dont care, I SAW IT.

That being said, as the object moved over the trees to my right, I had this "feeling" of utter, unbridled, HATRED. But it wasnt from me...I was like "WOW THAT WAS SOOO COOL" thinking to myself...."COOL" was NOT the "feeling" I got from this craft/being/ufo/what-ever-it-was. I'm a big guy. I grew up in Detroit and can handle myself well. I was at no time scared...in fact I was like WOW...until it left....I felt that someone or something had very cold, hateful even, feelings towards me!?

So, the fact that you report that you mentally projected your "feelings" to whom or whatever is up there for help, then saw manifestations
of those thoughts or prayers does give on pause to consider that these "light beings/crafts" are not just some "advanced civilization" here to "observe humanity"...but something quite different using that mask.

I believe that the late Dr. Hynek and Jacques Vallée were probably closer to the truth than most people think. While most people are looking for a "nuts and bolts" answer to this mystery I believe its truly more that that. While I dont want to alarm or scare you ....I want to point out that "reaching out" spiritually...or mentally...you have a good chance of contacting something "undesirable" as opposed to "helpful" especially not being spiritually grounded in your faith.

Never be afraid to post your feelings on your experiences...thats what this board is for and the people who want to be rude, not explore new ideas or theories, are truly the ones missing out here. Good luck and be safe..

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[edit on 7/15/2008 by 1nL1ghtened]

Reminder for everyone :

Civility and Decorum are Required


Please add to the discussion at hand, we don't need snide, insulting remarks.

Thanks.

reply to post by NephraTari


When you mentioned guardian ufos it rang a bell about a ground zero ufo sighting I remember that had great controversy. Here is the website that shows the actual video of the landed craft. Rik Riley

thespiritguide.vodpod.com...


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reply to post by NephraTari


Sorry most likely the ones that you can see are not the good guys. The good angelic beings that have not fallen are not "rule breakers" and do not show themselves unless directed by the manifested creator. Now the bad guys on the other hand love to appear as the good guys as "angel of lights" in hopes to gain your trust but more or less your worship. So are they your guardians ? Depends...Are you going to help them with their ungodly plan of separating man from faith in the true creator? If so yea they may very well try and keep you well. But if you opposed to total anarchy followed by a massive plot of deceit pulled over on mankind such as the world has never known, then I doubt they will like you very much in the long run. Why can't we just accept it. There is over whelming evidence that they are simply saying whatever any spiritual guru wants to hear if it's not channeling then it's direct mental contact , and there story has changed through the years to meet us at our own world view so it's all more believable.

Are there any good beings out there? Sure but in most cases they stay hidden and don't interfere as things are supposed to be. As for these other rebellious wanna be Gods..pfff don't give em the time of day. I know because I am an experiencer myself, so don't brush this off as opinion, it's not.

So you would do well not to tell your friends and loved ones these are guardians your just buying into the lie and spreading it. So as one previous poster mentioned "buying into the scary alien bit",...well you don't have to be scared but the truth is they are not your friends as hard as they will try to convince people otherwise, it's all for self gain.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened


Thank you for sharing your experience. I do understand what you are saying. There are most certainly some malevolent entities out there that watch us as well. I do not however think they are all malevolent. I do believe that we are visited by a wide variety of beings some dimensional and some extra terrestrial. Their reasons for coming here are probably as varied as are their species. What I do not understand is why they allow us to see them to begin with and why they interact with us be it for a positive or negative effect.

I have had some confusing negative events in my life quite recently which was partly responsible for my first attempt at making telepathic contact to ask for help. I do not fully understand the source of our troubles recently but initially I thought it to be paranormal until some suggested based on abductee's accounts that some visitors have the ability to change how we perceive them. If that is the case it calls into question every close encounter because how do you know you are not being deceived?

I think our greatest defense is our instinct. Those that seem prone to contact also seem to have enhanced psychic abilities that allow them to sense the intent of the beings that are coming in contact with them. I could sense the malicious almost childish menacing glee of the recent events we had. I also sense an almost instant comforting and safe feeling when I asked for help and amazingly each time the problem went away it seems almost each time with the arrival of a strong electrical storm. I am not sure how these things are connected... maybe not at all but I try to take all factors into account when trying to understand something. I documented most of the problems we had in the paranormal forum. I am still confused as to what that source was, but I do believe help came when requested although I am not 100% certain of the source of the help. Uncertainty sucks but it is the reality for people when dealing with the unknown.

man that would be awesome to have UFO guardians!!!!

It would, just like the playground thing. That was hilarious. I wouldn't think they are guardians though, just stalking you like the little bastards do. I would be out there with all my neighboors shooting at the damnn things, and then when they crash go over and t-bag them!!!

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I am sorry, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree. There is no evidence that UFO's or any alien beings are in fact some divine entity that religions refer to as angels. In my view honestly I think religions are based on misconceptions of visitations. If I were to be able to travel right now to a planet with the tech savy of our people in ancient times.. taking only something as simple as a battery pack, a portable pc and some video and music files they would most assuredly view me as a god if I let them. I have captured souls in a box! I can make choirs of angels sing from nowhere.
It would not make me a god. Even if I were a scientist who could create a new life form by splicing the DNA of 2 different species together that would not make me an omniscient god. But I would be viewed as such I am sure by primitive people. Anyway my point is.. religion is just as much unproven as are UFO's and higher dimensions. You cannot state that you know for a fact a UFO is a fallen angel when there is no proof that angels in fact exist other than the writings of a book. The beings that were perceived as angels may be real, but their actual nature is not determined.

Now of course I know you will not agree and that is ok. I am just stating how I see it, and hoping that you understand that I do not share your view that these objects/beings are divine or anti-divine.

No hard feelings.

Originally posted by antar
Yes I do.

They watch over you.

Some are considered Angelic beings of light.

You are most probably connected thru your soul to them, in otherwords they are you in the future.

Sorry to ask antar, but how do you know this and how can you speak for others?

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ROFL that made me giggle.

I don't think they are all evil little expletive deleted's, lol but ya some probably are and would deserve that.

I THINK THERE'S SOME CONNECTION BETWEEN RELIGION AND UFO/ALIEN ENCOUNTERS.
WHEN MY LITTLE GIRL WAS A TODDLER EVERYONE SHE MET WOULD COMMENT ON HOW SHE WAS AN 'OLD SOUL'. AT THE AGE OF 2 SHE ASKED ME QUITE FRANKLY IF I REMEMBERED WHEN WE WERE IN HEAVEN AND SHE CHOSE ME TO BE HER MOTHER.I REPLIED NO I DIDN'T TO WHICH SHE INSISTED, ' YES YOU REMEMBER, I SAW YOU AND SAID I WANTED YOU TO BE MY MOTHER.' THIS FREAKED ME OUT A BIT BUT THERE WAS MORE TO COME. AT AGE 3, FOR A 2 WEEK PERIOD SHE WOULD WANDER AROUND THE HOUSE AT NIGHT REFUSING TO STAY IN HER ROOM OR SLEEP IN MY BED, AND SHE WOULD ALWAYS END UP EITHER LOOKING UP AT THE SKYLIGHT IN MY BATHROOM OR OUT THE WINDOW OF HER BEDROOM JUST STANDING AND STARING.I WAS EXHAUSTED AND FRIGHTENED AS SHE WOULD SAY ( NOW REMEMBER SHE WAS ONLY 3 ) "THEY'RE COMING MUMMY, THEY'RE COMING." I'D ASK 'WHO?' AND SHE WOULD JUST SAY"YOU KNOW, THEM, THEY'RE COMING." MY HUSBAND WAS WORRIED SHE WAS GOING CRAZY AND THIS MADE US REALLY NERVOUS. MY MOTHER WHO NEVER BELIEVED IN UFOS AND WAS VERY RELIGIOUS ( SOMETHING I HAD NEVER REALLY BEEN) WAS SO PERPLEXED BY THIS LITTLE GIRLS BEHAVIOR COULD ONLY CONCLUDE THAT MAYBE IT WAS AFTER ALL SOME KIND OF ALIEN ENCOUNTER. WE WERE DESPERATE FOR HELP SO MY MOTHER CONTACTED HER PRIEST-A YOUNG VERY OPEN MINDED MAN, WHO AGREED TO COME AND DO A BLESSING OF OUR CHILD AND ONE IN HER ROOM AND ASKED MOTHER TO BRING SOMETHING OF THE CHILDS TO KEEP IN THE CHURCH. DON'T ASK ME HOW OR WHY BUT WE WERE STUNNED THAT IT ALL STOPPED THAT VERY NIGHT AND SHE WENT TO BED AND SLEPT SOUNDLY FROM THEN ON. AT THE AGE OF 6 AROUND THE SAME TIME OF YEAR I HAD JUST TUCKED HER IN TO BED AND WENT TO MY ROOM WHEN WITHIN ABOUT 20 MINUTES SHE CALLED OUT FOR US TO QUICKLY COME TO HER ROOM. MY HUSBAND AND I FOUND HER STANDING ON HER BED ( THAT WAS POSITIONED UNDER THE WINDOW) STARING OUTSIDE AND VERY HAPPILY AND EXCITEDLY SAYING SHE HAD SEEN A SPACE SHIP AND ONE "MAN" STANDING OUTSIDE WHO WAVED AT HER AND SHE COULD SEE THE OTHER ONE INSIDE THE CRAFT. MY HUSBAND AND I JUST LOOKED AT EACH OTHER DREADING THAT IT WAS STARTING AGAIN. SHE WASN'T AFRAID OR ANYTHING BUT VERY INSISTENT ON WHAT SHE SAW SO WE MADE HER SKETCH IT OUT-I STILL HAVE THIS PICTURE SOME 7 YEARS LATER. WHAT WAS FASCINATING WAS THAT THE VERY NEXT NIGHT THE NEWS STATIONS SHOWED THAT MANY PEOPLE HAD REPORTED SEEING 'LIGHTS' IN THE SKY OVER OUR SUBURB. THANKFULLY NOTHING MORE EVER HAPPENED AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER 'PUBLICLY' TOLD OUR STORY AS MY HUSBAND WAS WELL RESPECTED IN HIS VERY CONSERVATIVE LINE OF WORK.
TO THIS DAY MY DAUGHTER IS NOT AFRAID OF THE THOUGHT OF ANYTHING EXTRATERRESTRIAL AND IS A VERY HAPPY HEALTHY AND VERY WISE YOUNG GIRL. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HYPNOTHERAPY TO MAYBE FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAW WHEN SHE WAS 3 AND 6 BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT TO HER DISCRETION. BUT SHE DOES THINK THAT THERE IS A CO RELATION TO UFO/ALIEN ACTIVITY AND SPIRITUALITY.

reply to post by NephraTari


So your saying you send telepathic messages to them and you seem them right? Why not go to the grocery store buy a disposable camera and snap off a couple of those UFO's that you have contact w/ often...if what your saying is true this request shouldnt seem RUDE or COY in any way...Im not trying to come off as a jerk or anything i just think w/ any fantastic story or claim you should have SOMETHING to prove what your saying...thanks for listening


Good Day
Skept!cal

reply to post by itsallgreek


Thank you for sharing your experience, although next time please turn off caps lock first.

I am going to refrain from making any statements about this other than it is possible that the idea of heaven was put into her mind by an outside religious influence. I had a visit when I was about that age that I mistook to be an angel because of religious influences in my life at the time. It was the only thing I had to compare my visitor with so it was how I perceived them.

Please be very supportive of your daughter. She will need your understanding in the years to come.

I would say yes they will hum over your house like a huge humming bird, they are on a look out for their own, so if you have some outside parties attached to you personally, thats a good thing.

The -Gatekeepers- keep things running smoothly, to make sure there is no dimensional collision. They seperate the invisible worlds with their knowhow, they will let somethings slide, if there is about to be an accident to one of their own.

But when I traveled out of my body to visit my mom, it's a no no because of the time space were in can interupt other dimensions creating time slips in out of the space continent. I was met there by a very large blue being, that made the planet rumble. I think it would have been the same effect of an anti matter bomb coming in disrupting the thought patterning or mindspace of that planet or world. It can be dangerous to us coming in maybe to visit ourselves in a future timeline.

But not the opposite because the vibration is -past tense- to them, making it an old home, to them. While simultaneous in existance.

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reply to post by skept!cal

No I have not seen them in person outside of a vessel since I was a child.
I know they got the message because the activity stopped.

I am not going to recount everything I have already described previously in another thread but I can link the thread if you like.

To give you a quick example of the problems we had there were doorknobs turning with no one near them.. you could literally stare at the door open mid way so you can see both sides and the knob would turn back and forth by itself.

This was the sort of trouble we were experiencing among other things.
The activity stopped when I sent the message out and asked for them to help if they could. Apparently they could. because they did.

Going to the drug store, purchasing a disposable camera, and putting it in your glove box for future 'thru the roof sightings days' = $5 dollars

Just thinkin out loud.

Sorry about the caps lock.

I know what you mean about the "heaven" thing but thats the only way she could articulate it back then. Have always been a very open minded and supportive Mother, she is my youngest, my eldest daughter is 24 yo - she never experienced anything like this.
We all discuss and debate these sorts of issues, in my home no subject is off limits.

We are aware that she may be "visited" again some time in the future, she is extremely intelligent and not the timid type so it will be interesting to see what happens.

reply to post by NephraTari


im not saying anything about snapping off some shots while there out of there "vehicle" im just saying if you have Unidentified Flying Objects hovering over your house at your disposal as you say (i.e Telepathy) then their should be no quarrels snaping some photo's of them w/ your niffty disposable wal-mart camera....ill be anticipating your photo's soon....


Good Day
Skept!cal

reply to post by skept!cal


First. disposable cameras are crap for pictures I can pretty much guarantee that any pic I tried to take with one at night such as those that we saw on our move would not come out on that kind of camera especially considering how high up they were. However I am not opposed to trying. I am not however inclined to start calling them all the time just to get a picture to passify someone who is extremely rude in their comments to begin with. It is not what you say but how you say it that offends someone sir. The very tone of your words screams many things but none of them are civil. I didn't say I could call them on demand constantly and have objects hovering over my house on command. I will thank you not to put words in my mouth. I said.. I have asked for help and I got it. I have said that sending a telepathic request HAS worked for me. It has not worked EVERY time I tried it.

I am not a UFO hunter. this is the first time that they have appeared to me on request. When they helped I did not see them.. I knew they heard me because the activities ceased. Every other time I have seen a UFO it was sudden and unexpected. I am sorry if the idea that people get visited and you don't bothers you to the point that you feel the need to be hostile to them. I cannot change your situation I think your very personality has alot to do with why you have never been visited. But in all honesty I think it is possible the only reason some people will never see a UFO is not because they have not been in vicinity of one but because they do not recognize it for what it is because of their closed minded view their first instinct is to dismiss it and turn the other way and stop looking and never think of it again.

Please understand I do hope that someday you get your own personal truth but I do not feel that will ever come from anything anyone else can provide you. I do not believe every account or report either so I respect you in your position of not believing my experience without my having proof. HOWEVER.. that is not the topic of this thread and I am asking nicely that people stop avoiding the topic and changing it to suit their needs or interests. The OP presents a question and that question is the subject of this thread. Please respect that. I am not asking anyone to believe my experience blindly I was using my personal experience as a setup for the question that it brought up in my mind and which I sought feedback for by creating this thread. Can you please understand and respect that?


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