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More Mexicans leaving U.S. under duress

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posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by LLoyd45
 


Yeah sounds kinda like what the "whites" did to us when they came to this country . Ironic much?
I actually agree with you, but with one exception.. There were no immigration laws back then, and the Indians didn't believe anyone could own the land.




posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Yeah . I just want others to see how easy it is to be possessive of something that was essentially stolen in the first place .
I guess it's just easy to get blinded by self righteousness..

BTW i wasn't attacking you or your post . Just wanted to point out the irony of even the best of arguments against immigration.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Wow. Just wow.


Now they can see what Americans who lost jobs are going through


I don't think Americans ( Read: Most) have any idea what life is like in Mexico. Perhaps they went on a hen night in Cancun or got drunk in Tijuana , but those two places do not Mexico make. It would be like saying America is like Disney World or New York.

Mexicans come to America because it is the closest to them that is BETTER then their country. The Serbs come to the UK because it is closer to them - I think that is the best and most credible explanation.

I've been an immigrant - in both America and the UK. Both treat their immigrants with disdain and yet both are dependent on immigrants both now and in the past.

Something very drastic has to occur to make the general consensus of " They are screwing up our country so good riddance" that is displayed regulary on these forums. Thankfully we are socially mature enough to not let THAT happen.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by Merigold]

[edit on 7-7-2008 by Merigold]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Let's not make this another thread about "whites" and "browns" and "beige" and "pink" and "purple" and go down the whole freaking rainbow.

The thread is about poverty and how it's affecting Americans and illegal aliens.
We're not saying anything about people coming and going in the country. And the illegal alien issue is about greedy companies not the hopes of people for a better life.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
Your all a bunch of racist bigots.
[edit on 7-7-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Your statement is wrong in many ways. Let me show you just a few of the ways:

1) mexicans are not a race, so people that don't want illegals in the U.S. cannot be racists.

2) name calling is a violation of the T & C. Always amazes me how quickly some turn to name calling when they cannot logically back up their side of a debate.

3) the word should have been "You're" ( contraction for "you are") instead of "Your".

This whole illegal immigration issue is pretty black and white to me. You either broke the law, or you didn't. After all, we don't (usually) let U.S. criminals off just because they were poor and "needed" to be criminals because of it. You're asking to give illegals a break we don't even give our own citizens. But that's standard operating procedure for all those feeling extremely sorry for the illegals ...




posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by LLoyd45
 


Yeah . I just want others to see how easy it is to be possessive of something that was essentially stolen in the first place .
I guess it's just easy to get blinded by self righteousness..

BTW i wasn't attacking you or your post . Just wanted to point out the irony of even the best of arguments against immigration.


No problem, I didn't take it as a personal affront. We all have our opinions whether they're right or wrong. So were cool, and I do see what you're saying.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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That was, to be frank, a rather shocking assesment.

And I say that not as an immigrant but as a human being.

I still think you're cool though and like reading your posts.

xo
d



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
Well at least something good is coming out of the recession we're in. They contribute nothing to our country aside from higher unemployment rates for Americans, higher medical insurance premiums for Americans, and higher crime rates in our cities. I can't say I'll miss them..


Wait a sec, isn't every white caucasian american only american through amnesty?

lol, some people man



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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If the shoe fits. . If you don't see the racism and bigotry in this thread . (not the op) . Then i'm sorry .

To me this is like a burger joint advertising "the best burger in town"

Only if you come from another town . You cant have a burger.

The more i read threads like this . The more i welcome the NWO .
At least then we can consolidate the laws . And abolish country lines .
I cant wait till we all just one big joyous community that works together .

Think my head is in the clouds ? Well maybe a thick fog just rolled in .

[edit on 7-7-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Merigold
reply to post by LLoyd45
 


That was, to be frank, a rather shocking assesment.

And I say that not as an immigrant but as a human being.

I still think you're cool though and like reading your posts.

xo
d
I don't expect people to agree with me on everything, I'm not a sage. Half the time I'm probably wrong like everyone else.


I appreciate the kind words though, and your ability to see past a difference of opinion Merigold.


[edit on 7/7/08 by LLoyd45]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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I lived in Mexico for 5 years and yes it's true what you say. Also, Mexicans aren't only the type you see in the U.S.A there's also European/Mediterranean Mexicans or descendants (like me my mother comes from Arabic Roots and is Mexican).



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Wait a sec, isn't every white caucasian american only american through amnesty?

lol, some people man
I'm not really sure what you mean by amnesty? Amnesty for what exactly? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious about what your saying..



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
It's about the government finally cracking down...

[snip]

...I'm actually heartened by this story because it indicates some progress in the war against illegal immigration.


I think you're right. This is a segment from the article not quoted in the OP:


"That these people are leaving proves what we have been saying for years," he said. "If you begin enforcing the law to prevent them getting what they come here to get, they will go."



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Nice attempt at a deflection or sidestep. You failed to respond to any point I made - even the easy one (3).
Instead, you decided to write a burger metaphor.


Ah, yes, another utopian with their head in a fog. Understood completely.


[edit on 7/7/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
Yeah sounds kinda like what the "whites" did to us when they came to this country .Hell atleast there native to this continent . You guys just "conquered" it.............. Ironic much?


Uh, I'm native to this continent and this country, my friend. Was born here in 1976.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by centurion1211
 


The more i read threads like this . The more i welcome the NWO .
At least then we can consolidate the laws . And abolish country lines .
I cant wait till we all just one big joyous community that works together .

[edit on 7-7-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Isn't this why we have LEGAL immigration, though? For people who want to travel to countries to be documented, and go wherever they wanna go?

I think it is sad that we have laws, that only some people need to abide by. In this case, it's just not worth being a natural-born citizen. OR all of the Mexicans and citizens from other countries to need to WAIT, and WAIT on the waiting lists to come over here legally. How is illegal immigration fair to those who have to go through the procedure of doing the same thing legally?



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by LostNemesis

Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by centurion1211
 


The more i read threads like this . The more i welcome the NWO .
At least then we can consolidate the laws . And abolish country lines .
I cant wait till we all just one big joyous community that works together .

[edit on 7-7-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]


Isn't this why we have LEGAL immigration, though? For people who want to travel to countries to be documented, and go wherever they wanna go?



People that believe this way still harbor the old socialist/communist dream of a life where they don't really have to work and the government just gives them everything they need to be "happy". Manna from heaven - only to them the government is heaven.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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You are totally right! Following laws, and hoping that others do the same IS socialist/communist. Damn, I didn't know that by following laws we are supporting the NWO.

The illegals have it right!! Total anarchy, and the NWO will never win!!
:::sarcasm end:::

...Sorry, I don't agree with you



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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[double post]

[edit on 7/7/2008 by jamiros]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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No that's called being conformist and lazy. I have seen that in some of the Mexicans that I treated down in Mexico when I lived there. They were workers of the land of my family.

I had to go to the house of one and pick him up and tell him he needed to work because he didn't wake up. And he still had the nerve of telling me he still needed to eat breakfast....


I was PAYING him to do work not asking him for a favor....

Not all of the workers were like that though... there are some hard working individuals and those are the ones that actually get somewhere.



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