No. Terrorist are men. They forefit ALL of their rights when they decide to blow up little kids.

My goodness... you are stretching aren't you? Are you just trying to justify Obama's sympathies for the terrorist?

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin


I.) Against domestic drilling. While im not AGAINST domestic drilling, i do agree with Obama. It will not lower gas prices. George hershel walker Bush imposed the current moratorium on Domestic Drilling....were you aware?

So let's get this straight. Long-time oil man George H.W. Bush imposed ban on offshore drilling. For whose benefit did he do this? Do you really think he was an environmentalist? Of course he wasn't. But this kept the price of oil high.

And so now Obama wants to carry on in Bush's footsteps and it doesn't raise a red flag?

J.) touchy subject. I agree. However; were the founding fathers saying in "all men are created equal" that this only applies to US territories?

Are "terrorists" not men as well?

I'm pretty sure that the "all men are created equal" line isn't in the Constitution, but instead it's in the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence was written to counter the idea that the King of England somehow had divine powers. Thus, that line was to highlight the opposing view that King wasn't special at all, i.e., that he was a man like everybody else.

Now when it comes to fighting a war, nobody except modern day liberals, including Obama, have ever suggested that opponents on the battlefield be given Constitutional rights. In fact, Obama's own stated objective to capture OBL belies his position that OBL would be granted Constitutional rights. I will guarantee that if special forces surround OBL nobody is going to be reading him his rights.

The SF guys will read him his rights, with 671 grains of diplomacy. All the rights he deserves.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

Originally posted by deadbang

The second amendment is very clear about who the militia is...it's you and I, and as such we are allowed to own and keep guns.

No. im sorry, its not.

It says a militia. I've given definition of a militia. Militia's still exist in today's society, do i really need to provide google results to prove this to you? An individual is not a militia.

[edit on 7/6/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

At the time the Constitution was written, the whole damned nation was a militia. Have you ever heard of the Revolutionary War?

The recipients of the 2nd Amendment are CLEARLY outlined in the 3rd Amendment. Funny how the anti-rights libs always forget that. The 3rd Amendment specifically states that in times of peace, the people have the right to deny quartering to soldiers and members of the government. The point of the guns, as outlined by the 3rd Amendment, is to keep the GOVERNMENT out of the homes of the PEOPLE.

You're wrong. That is why the Originalists voted FOR individual rights as envisioned by the Founding Fathers and the Activists in typical fashion voted AGAINST individual rights as usual.

I don't understand how libs today are AGAINST individual rights. Don't they realize that once we lose our individual rights, we don't get them back? Only a suicidal crackpot would be AGAINST the rights of people. That is the problem with the citizens in this country - they think this is a Democracy. America is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a Democracy. We are a REPUBLIC. The word Democracy isn't even mentioned in the Articles of the Constitution. The Founding Fathers were adamantly against a Democracy, or a mobocracy, as they called it, because it incites mob rule and corruption. When the majority realizes they can vote in their own benefits package at the expense of the minority, the system breaks down. The Republic lasts forever. AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS!

Andrew, I'd be impressed if you knew what a Republic was off the top of your head. I can all but guarantee you'll have to Google that definition to reply to me.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by ChocoTaco369]

Ok Andrew, I think that we can all agree you are hopeless on Gun rights. So why not quite before you look even more silly and answer some of the other questions that What Theroy asked about.

3rd Amendment:

No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

This clearly outlines that the individual property owner is held in a higher regard than the military. The military is part of the Government, and the rights of the individuals are clearly more important according to the Founding Fathers.

As you know, the military is armed. The point of the 2nd Amendment was to give individual owners of homes the right to own a gun and keep the military (aka Government) out of their home, and if the government tried to force their way in, you were within your rights to stop them with force.

THAT is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment - a supplement to the 3rd Amendment.