Once and for all: Why you should vote for Obama, page 5
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:49 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by toasted



So to you - it only matters if they are paid?

Well, once again, lets evaluate what militia means


1. a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2. a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3. all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4. a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

Websters


To become a part of a militia is to set yourself apart from someone who is not a part of that militia

so

You are no longer just an individual

you are part of something

you are part of the militia


to be in the militia, as the founding fathers clearly wrote it, is to have the right to bare arms.

To not be in the militia and bare arms, is a PRIVILEGE and this is proven by the fact that a felon is not allowed to own a firearm.

Pretty simple really

rights cannot be stripped

you cannot be a felon and be in any recognized civilian militia

therefore, you cannot be a felon and own a firearm....


we really need to continue repeating ourselves? Or are you going to take a second to read what i type, and consider the possibility that you might just be wrong


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:55 PM by WhatTheory
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


Why are you beating a dead horse regarding the gun issue?
The supreme court already ruled that individual citizens can have guns. Case closed! Geesh!

Besides, why does anyone need people like politicians and the supreme court to tell them how to think and believe regarding the gun issue? I mean, the Constitution is simple enough to read and clearly states that citizens can arm themselves. Most people can read and don't need anyone else to 'interprete' what they believe the 2nd Amendment means.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:59 PM by pccat
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to
post by pccat



Well, all of those are individual opinions. Those opinions were not indoctrinated into the bill of rights.

Militias arent "JUST" the national guard. Seriously, are you unable to research this for yourself


huh? those opinions were the basis FOR the bill of rights.. and those opinions were very clear..
a militia is raised in time of need.. we NEED to be armed for that time..
and seriously dude.. don't go into my research abilities.. there are obviously two sides to this argument.. your points are valid to your interpretation.. but not to mine.. I think the founding fathers have stated their point of view clear enough..


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:00 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by WhatTheory



actually, they decided on the "DC" gun ban

not all gun bans
Source

Furthermore, are you suggesting that what the supreme court says is 100% law? They cannot be challenged because they are "supreme" ? Please.
You seem very conservative, so do you also agree with the supreme court deciding abortion is a woman's right?

Or are we going to discuss double standards again


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:09 PM by deadbang
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin




I'm done man, I entered into discussion with you, we don't agree(and thats fine, in fact it's what makes this country great)...and here come the troll remarks...

Is this how you handle all serious discussions, either agree with you or be called a troll?...what happens if your man makes it in, you gonna shoot all desenters at dawn?..oh wait that would take a militia, as only they have the right to bare arms, according to you.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:12 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by WhatTheory



Oh, ok. So whatever the supreme court decides must be true? It cant be over turned, unless they themselves over turn it?

Sounds a little......dictatorish to me?


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:13 PM by WhatTheory
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


I really don't understand how you can believe Obama would be good for this country considering his leftist views are dangerous and are failed policies of the past. Policies and beliefs such as:

A) Drivers licences for illegals
B) More government regulation
C) Bigger government in general like more social programs
D) Socialized Medicine
E) Higher taxes
F) Income Redistribution
G) Defense policy plans
H) Halt to manned space missions
I) Against domestic drilling
J) Provide terrorists with the rights of a U.S. citizen


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:15 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by jetxnet



Now you're putting words in my mouth

If you go back Here

and scroll down a ways (obviously you over looked this part of the discussion?)

you will see what i said about Obama and his ideas of gun control

here's a snippit fro quick reference

# Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. MORE PRO CHOICE FROM OBAMA

# FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban.

# Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok.

at first glance - you might say "gee, there's a conundrum!" Well, lets let Obama speak for himself:



reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:17 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by Slazer



actually, since its a thread about why you should vote for obama, and the fact that obama has made stances on the 2nd amendment, it is not off-topic for us to discuss the second amendment.

I think i'll be the judge of what is and isnt off topic in my own thread
and of course - only overruled by the mods and admins

Thanks for the support though


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:18 PM by pavil
reply to post by pccat


Excellent post for such a newcommer. The Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Ammendment time and time again. Mr. Wiggins and Mr. Obama it seems, seem to know more about this than our Supreme Court and our Founding Fathers.
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