Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Well my friend that's the bottom line, if you have motivation and intelligence ALL situations are positive for you, you would never have to talk about Overthrow, it's a conversation that maybe would be warrented under Aldolph Hitler when, 10's of Millions of lives were being lost in genuine genocide and genuine attempt to conquer the world by your leader

I wouldn't dream of overthrowing this idiocracy. There are governments because there are billions of people that need to be governed. People that need some pseudo-authority figure to tell them what to do. It's a perfect fit. Who am I to get in the way of this unholy matrimony?

I would love to see a group try, really. The bad thing is that if you lose, you will be viewed in American history as just another terrorist group.

I am truely surprised that various "axis of evil" countries in the world haven't formed together and just taken over, it seems like it would be quite possible to me. Lots of bloodshed, yes, but achievable.

Then again if the NWO conspiracy theorists are correct and the ENTIRE WORLD is against you, that might be a bigger problem.

The very fact that your allowed to post this sort of populist propaganda is proof that the United States isn't nearly as restricted as your hoping/praying for. In an actual country with restricted freedoms, the government would be showing up at your door after posting this sort of sewage.

Seem to be a very popular thread. 5 pages added since I last posted around 12 hours ago.

I've read all the responses. Some decent, some just .....

Keep reading about voting. As a group, we just don't get it. It's not Bush or Cheney. It's not even the Governors. It's the entire system. The bureaucracy behind the people we vote on; they NEED to go. They are not voted on in anyway.

Just civil servants doing the actual work of the government leeching off the tax dollars. The bulk of these government workers are in functions never intended by the framers of the Constitution. Show me were the Department of Education or Department of Housing and Urban Development is listed in the Constitution. Even the newest, Homeland Security, could have easily fell under Department of Defense instead of the it's own Department (just more leeching jobs). I can make a case for the EPA but realistically, it could be a function of the Commerce Department. We should have only Departments or Agencies specifically stated in the Constitution for the common good of the population and not the selected few based on current politics.

Each and every function of the Federal Government is duplicated at the State level, it's just an added layer of bureaucracy at a higher level. Think about this for just a moment.

We have to many, made up, agencies that promote self employment while keeping citizens burdened with taxes to pay for perceived needed services at a Federal level. This is the bloated carcass that needs to be done away with. This is the mind set that you need to think out before you shout change.

Tax supported jobs do not add value to the economy. The money is just shifted from one place to another. People will use the local military base as an example of how good their local economy is. Every dollar from that military base came from somewhere else to support all those people.

I really, really enjoyed the comment about what would it take to make you act against the Government. THAT is a great question and one every voter in the USA should consider before going to the polls.

Let's say you succeed in replacing your entire government and all your leaders with "good" people.
How long that will last ? The world is not full of Zen masters, immune to the lure of physical possessions and just waiting to lead a nation
Anyway the governments are the "little people" in today's world multinational corporations and banks rule.

So here is this quote again, I posted it on a few other threads, this is my view of "revolution" :

Because revolution in our culture has always represented an attack on hierarchy, it has always meant upheaval--literally a heaving up from below. But upheaval has no role to play in moving beyond civilization. If the plane is in trouble, you don't shoot the pilot*, you grab a parachute and jump. To overthrow the hierarchy is pointless; we just want to leave it behind.

*or yell and wave signs and write songs about what a bad job the pilot is doing (i said that)

Daniel Quinn - Beyond Civilization

[edit on 5-7-2008 by pai mei]

Originally posted by pai mei
If the plane is in trouble, you don't shoot the pilot*, you grab a parachute and jump.

That's a good statement. I haven't read this entire thread, but I would think if there are enough people who don't like how things are going, they should make a solid plan to leave the country and go start over somewhere else. There are lots of people leaving the U.S. (especially retirees) who can live much cheaper elsewhere.

I just talked to a girl at the dog park last week who went to visit her fiancee's father in Mexico. They live very well and take care of a family of four for about $200 a month. She loved it and wants to relocate there herself.

Now if the government decides to stop people from leaving the country... then you have a real problem on your hands.

I'd love to join you all (in the whole overthrowing the government thing), but I'm always so busy. You know I have had to get a second job just to keep up with the skyrocketing prices of everything these days. So that takes up most of my time. And whenever I do get any real time to myself, I try to get as many loose ends tied up within my personal life as possible, which requires alot of time spent waiting in traffic.

So unfortunately, my hands are tied on this one. I'd love to help, but I've got my own problems to deal with, and just can't afford to take enough time off of work to go participating in any revolutions. Besides, someone else made this mess, not me. So why should I care? I don't have any children that I need to better the world for, and I don't ever plan on having any. More than half of the people that I find myself dealing with in this country are self absorbed, materialistic, swine anyway, so they deserve to be oppressed as far as I'm concerned.....

“Revolutions have never lightened the burden of tyranny: they have only shifted it to another shoulder”
George Bernard Shaw

“Revolution is a trivial shift in the emphasis of suffering.”
Tom Stoppard

“A revolution is interesting insofar as it avoids like the plague the plague it promised to heal”
Daniel Berrigan

Just to throw this out....

Three of us were given the same dream/scenario in a single night. We were told that the ship had been taken over and we were to kill all of the hijackers but not damage the ship. One of us did exactly as stated, another killed only the one that held immediate threat to this person, the last sank the ship.

Placing this in context....the ship being the U.S. and the hijackers being the Bush administration....I think that says a lot. Even if the administration were to be taken to court for war crimes, no punishment would ever ensue. Once they had been pardoned by congress for war crimes both past and present only one other way can justice be issued.

IMO, it would take a military take over as there is no way the citizens by themselves could accomplish this. I personally think it needs to happen. Ron Paul already has the basics in reestablishing America to her original core values. Let's face it, most people are good, honest people....our problems mostly stem at the upper echelons of power where politics rule and common sense is frowned upon.

Rich