I am almost positive that a great many of us believe that our government is, and has been for a while, a government by the illusion of choice. If you agree, we should take it upon ourselves to assemble and do whatever it takes to reclaim our government, and transform it back to what it once was, or at least what it should be, a government by the people, for the people not a government by the rich and powerful, for the rich and powerful. What could we do in order to overthrow our current government? Who could we put in charge? Would we rewrite our constitution, or keep the current? What would be done about all the corrupt politicians? I am talking about changing this country for the better. Do we have what it takes, or will you all just sit back, ignore what I've said, and return to that barn with all the other mindless sheep? Let us become free again. Let us reclaim our place as citizens of the United States of America, the true leaders of America.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

Don't be afraid to speak up and speak your mind. Don't be afraid to be free. Don't be afraid.

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Plus overthrowing is hard work. Can't we just bitch about it on ATS.

[edit on 7/4/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Sorry only one Ghandi per 1000 years is permitted on this irredeemable rock.

If ppl wont go about changing it a legit, peaceful way, then they wont go about changing it a violent way.

I'm for changing it however in more than one way to flood the bad parts and bad ppl out. Yep, got to do it at more than one angle to get the job done.

I am a little disappointed. On this website, I thought there would be an extensive amount of people willing to, at least, grace us with some input. I guess everyone would rather complain than to take some initiative.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

Perhaps July 4th is not the best day for this topic. Or perhaps it's the best day for it.
In any case, I'm on my seventh beer, eleventh hot dog, and fiftieth post. Can I overthrow Mondayish?

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Perhaps July 4th is not the best day for this topic. Or perhaps it's the best day for it.
In any case, I'm on my seventh beer, eleventh hot dog, and fiftieth post. Can I overthrow Mondayish?

lmfao very nicely put!!

I figured Independence Day to be good day to talk about something like freedom, especially fighting for it. Today represents the day that our country gained its freedom from the same thing that has robbed us of our freedoms today.

In a way what you are saying is true.

Dubya is the third George to be president.
King George III was king of England against whom the usurpations of the Declaration of Independence were written.

When Dubya taxes tea, we'll talk.






[edit on 7/4/2008 by garyo1954]

""All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what has the government ever done for us?
"There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of this government once and for all."
"Uh, well, one."
"Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid"

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I've talked to people and heard groups talk of this for years.

A few problems with this:

The USA is a big country. It's not like overthrowing a country in Europe or South America half the size of Indiana. It would involve many people, working together, for a common aim of anarchy.

The USA Government has a large military and the Republic will do whatever it takes to save the Republic. Always, always remember this.

There is a line of succession so if the president dies, there are replacements at several different levels. It's called continuity of government. The government is still in place if the head is lopped off for any reason.

When I was a younger man, I thought of hanging the damn government people from lamp posts. I was a very upset young man and am still pissed at several revenuers at the State level. I then had the outstanding opportunity to work for the Department of Defense and saw first hand how unlikely the civilians would ever "win" a war against the military. Civil rioting or terrorist actions against the government will not work with our form of government.

I've heard people over the years say, just vote all the rascals out. Get all new people in. Problem with this is a couple reasons. The House is voted on every 2 years. You could, in theory, vote all of them out of office along with one third of Congress. Congress is the kicker. The six year term makes voting them out of office all at one time impossible. The remaining senators would see what is going on and pass laws or something else nefarious to protect themselves. By the time everyone is out, you would have House members on their third term. See, out founding fathers weren't so dumb about this after all.

What's the answer, I don't know. I know what won't work. I'm willing to discuss this in person with others of like mind. We do need a dramatic change in the way the government does it's business and tax people at a higher rate than when we threw the British out.

Happy 4th of July America!!!