Overthrowing the United States Government

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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:59 AM
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By the way, I think we broke a record as in the fewest posts to break a young man's spirit.
He went from hopeful idealism to offline in record time. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Bad bad members.




posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:03 AM
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With a title like that, one thing is sure... we are not the only ones reading this.
That being said, free speech isn't always free, and this could get a little touchy... if you know what I am eluding to. Baby steps man, baby steps... test the water first.


I am almost positive that a great many of us believe that our government is, and has been for a while, a government by the illusion of choice.


Possibly, a great many of us on here... maybe even some of the people we associate with day-to-day are aware of the idea, but in terms of numbers... I'm sure that we are the minority. Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assumption on the illusion of choice.



we should take it upon ourselves to assemble and do whatever it takes to reclaim our government, and transform it back to what it once was, or at least what it should be, a government by the people, for the people not a government by the rich and powerful, for the rich and powerful.


Indeed, as it is a duty to every citizen of this country should... but the times have changed since the revolutionary days. To ask the question of "what could we do to overthrow the government" is ludicrous... it is just plain crazy man. In that blunt of terms you [or any one of us] would be labeled as a terrorist. Who and how are just small factors in comparison.

The Constitution
It goes without speaking, that it should never be revised, rewritten or modified for any agenda period. End story. Our forefathers wrote it, and well... for the most part it has been "legem terrae" since. To make anew would be an injustice. IMHO

I hear what you are saying here, and yes alot of us are fed up... with everything... we are overindulged by it all, the whole fallacy has become a fad of extraordinary proportions. It has gone way out of our control, and in that downward spiral we have subsequently lost control. Some sheep will return to the barn, yes there will be strays... but the shepherd is the minority afterall and change starts small but takes alot.



Yes, I feel we as citizens of this nation do have what it takes... would we have been here now if we didn't? Maybe we have grown complacent over the years... yes but some of us have not grown dumb. We might be shepherds but the best thing we have, ultimately is our voice. If you do meet a sheep somewhere in a dark alleyway (nevermind) start with the smalltalk. Open some minds in the process, you never know.

Talk of violent revolution is close to suicide, but when you talk about destruction... well you know.... you can count me out.


In closing, it's MY CO2...
Happy Fourth!
T-

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[No offence to the op... just brewski discussion, oh, and I really tried to edit out those puns]

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[edit on 5-7-2008 by telemetry]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:05 AM
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oh boy.. someones gonna be the gitmo treatment soon

Might wanna rethink that title too



[edit on 5-7-2008 by Question Fate]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
By the way, I think we broke a record as in the fewest posts to break a young man's spirit.
He went from hopeful idealism to offline in record time. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Bad bad members.


I am sure you didn't brake his spirit just your idea of what is funny finally drove him away seeking more insightful people to talk to.

He was talking about fixing a problem in context, you with your beer and hot dog represent the weight in your American society, you drag the rest of the country down to your beer drinking hot dot eating unfunny and stupid one liners.

I live in Australia and was born in Russia, this country is known to be layed back and carefree and relaxed.
But when we have problems we solve them, perhaps not always but we solve them.

Our troopers are being taken out of iraq and the old governments work choices schema has been destroyed and made illegal.

Your country has many good people with good hearts like the original poster who wants to see his people a bit more free a bit more active a bit more involved with there country.

But like i said people like you are the virus in the country veins and the virus in the world.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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*starts scribbling names and notes*

I'll send postcards from wherever the Witness Protection program sends me after I get my reward.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:13 AM
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Indeed, what we really need is less humor and more judgemental broad brush owners.
Well spotted!



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!

As far as I can tell the drum circle of death is the only reasonable idea so far.


I'll bring a didgeridoo... sounds like a mighty fine endeavor to me.


All out of Glue, want a beer?
Carry on,
T-



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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Indeed, what we really need is less humor and more judgemental broad brush owners.
Well spotted!


humor is funny humor is used in certain situations and in certain topics.

Your humor is used to undermine and insult the ideals of the op.
If humor is what you would call your posts.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:17 AM
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I'm sorry,
You're right
It's my fault.

Feel better?



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by syress
 


I'm sorry,
You're right
It's my fault.

Feel better?


No i don't feel better, at least not until there are more people like the op and less off your kind.
Then yes i will feel better.....maybe.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:26 AM
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I really don't think it is wise or safe to be posting your wish to overthrow the government on the internet.

Unless you have some crazily-powerful proxy server and untraceable IP address it is likely this thread will be flagged automatically, be analyzed and then you could be deemed a domestic terrorist.

You know they can and have charged people for thought crime in the past few years right? Discussing plotting something seems to be as illegal as actually carrying out that plot so be careful.

You've got balls to say something like that online, but those balls probably won't stay connected for too long if you keep it up.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:26 AM
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Big words indeed. Especially within the context of overthrowing the american government. Perhaps we can get your insight on how to get the queen back on our currency and rejoin the commonwealth.
Please, I have no beef with you, I don't know you and you don't know me. I am quite sure that the last thing anyone needs is your sanctimony.
Serious enough for you?



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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Syress, not knowing your age, I submit that the fear of speaking out would be known to you from your time in Russia.

Just as it was in Russia the only reason there is no civil war in America at this time is the American people are afraid of the government as much as the government is afraid of the people.

What we have here is a standoff.

The economy will become the deciding factor.

You should know this.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by syress
 


Big words indeed. Especially within the context of overthrowing the american government. Perhaps we can get your insight on how to get the queen back on our currency and rejoin the commonwealth.
Please, I have no beef with you, I don't know you and you don't know me. I am quite sure that the last thing anyone needs is your sanctimony.
Serious enough for you?


May i ask where i said i wanted to have the queen back on your currency.
Because i could of sworn i never said that.....hmm must just be you putting words into my mouth.

As for overthrowing your government, it is legal for the people to want a government and fight for a government that listens to the people remember
the government is for the people not the people for the government.

You have some good leaders and some bad like any country but your people don't control the actions off the leaders to a point where the leaders fear to make a wrong move that is agents the wishes of the majority of the people of the country.

hehe i dont know you but then again i don't need to know you i have read your responses and i know what you stand for and what you are.

As long as you have your beer and hot dog you wont lift a finger till maybe....mondayish, or some time when your favored tv show is not on or when you are not feeling tired or when etc etc etc etc.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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Your inability to grasp irony explains you confusion.
I never said you wanted the queen. Lecturing people about "overthrowing" governments when you can't even sever your own umbilical cord to the commonwealth is ridiculous.
And since you have trouble grasping the pulse of ATS threads let me enlighten you. I commiserate with the OP. In fact I started a thread about how people are affected in this country here.
The sentiment of the OP is noble but the premise is flawed.
And until you showed up, some of us were trying to laugh at the state of affairs.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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Your inability to grasp irony explains you confusion.
I never said you wanted the queen. Lecturing people about "overthrowing" governments when you can't even sever your own umbilical cord to the commonwealth is ridiculous.
And since you have trouble grasping the pulse of ATS threads let me enlighten you. I commiserate with the OP. In fact I started a thread about how people are affected in this country here.
The sentiment of the OP is noble but the premise is flawed.
And until you showed up, some of us were trying to laugh at the state of affairs.



I sugest you utilise your resurch skills in a more effective manor.
We the people of australia (CHOSE) to remain in the commonwealth.
This was a recent vote to.
The main reason i started to argue with you was because every post you made in this thread has been sarcastic and unfunny
but i agree the ops intentions and ideals are noble, but without people to support people like him it goes no were.

And you are not making the situation better buy adding your pointless input prior to the posts you and i are having .



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by garyo1954
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Syress, not knowing your age, I submit that the fear of speaking out would be known to you from your time in Russia.

Just as it was in Russia the only reason there is no civil war in America at this time is the American people are afraid of the government as much as the government is afraid of the people.

What we have here is a standoff.

The economy will become the deciding factor.

You should know this.



Yes i can only hope that America does sort out its domestic affairs.
America is a good leader for the world at times and it is a shame to even see in this thread people being afraid to post there opinions due to fear of government intervention and prosecution.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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Regardless of your personal qualms... I agree this thread has taken a turn for the worst.... I hate to play the voice of reason here actually, but you are not helping the direction much either, sarcasm and irony aside.

Let's get back on topic folks... please.

T-


I can see some people approaching this with a different standpoint, whether it be humor or irony, whatnot... it is telling us that it is a touchy subject (like I said above) and not to be approached lightly. So why are we here, surely not to live in pain and fear?

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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 02:04 AM
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Ok, first of all thank you for being the first to calm us both down.
The reason I did this on this particular thread is not as transparent as it seems. I tried to get the OP to remove the word overthrow from his title cause if he keeps it the thread will probably get shut down. ATS can't have google searches hitting "overthrow the US government" Once he chose not to follow that advice, I realized that something happened to him tonight to tip his frustration. He said so to me himself.
I think we can both agree that nobody is overthrowing anybody.
In your opinion you see my comments as disrespectful, but there is a method to my madness.
Hopefully the OP will start another thread that will be more reflective of his noble intent.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 02:09 AM
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Agreed, and couldn't have said it better.
The title, whilst 100% honest in it's statement... it is misleading and could very well be misconstrued. It's hard to speak out when you are under the gun (so to say) as some here. Sometimes it is easier to take a lighthearted stance before getting heavy. No offence to anyone

T-





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