Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Further, Obama's CoB wasn't confirmed VALID! Not by a long shot.
Confirm. Look it up. And then read the first post in this thread again. "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," said Ms Okubo.
And on the subject of this birth certificate, there's a thread on the Hannity Forums about it where a few days ago, Okubo actually told them
that she had the registrar check it and SHE confirmed it.
Now, ho-o-o-ld on there, BH.
Ms. Okubo made her judgement based on an emailed jpeg. She is not a document expert. She is the spokesperson for the entire Hawaii Department of
This is from politifact.com which is a St Petersburg Times website; the same paper referenced above:
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see
pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site
The registrar saw the same image that Ms. Okubo saw. I, and pretty much everyone else by now, look at the Obama document and can't see ANY evidence,
in the blue cross thatch pattern, of an embossed seal. Nor do I see a trace of the registrar's stamp and signature on the reverse even though the
"JUN 2007" stamp is quite obvious. Nor any evidence that the roughly 8"x8" document has ever been folded, which it would have been had it been
I love to solve a good mystery. But, to my mind, this mystery is still unsolved.
By the way, the politifact.com article argues that the certificate is authentic, but their reasoning is along the lines of: "it's real because it
wouldn't make any sense to forge it". Here is their rationale:
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom
colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
Gee, sounds like ATS.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
Well, okay, then, wait, what... HUH?
Are they concluding that any document that "looks like" a Hawaii CoLB is, ipso facto, an authentic CoLB? And, by that same token, if the Obama CoLB
is a forgery then all CoLBs that "look like" it are also forgeries? Apparently they don't understand what the word "forgery" means.
That being said, here is their strongest point for dismissing the "controversy":
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with
conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s
office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
I don't think it follows that the Hawaii Department of Health, in general, and Ms Okubo in particular, are co-conspirators if the document is fake.
Neither she nor the registrar himself, by law, have access to the originals without Obama's permission. They can only give an opinion based on the
same evidence that we have access to.
Furthermore, the documents from the Illinois agencies corroborate only some of what the CoLB states. Those being his full name and city and state of
What information would an authentic birth certificate have that a fakery would be trying to hide? There are several possibilities.
Do any of them matter? In my opinion: only the question of his citizenship matters. All of the circumstances of his birth were beyond his control
and are still beyond his control.
I tend not to doubt that he was born in Hawaii, mainly because it wouldn't make any sense for him to have born anywhere else. Why in the world would
his parents have traveled to give birth in Kenya rather than the U.S.?
Anywho, the bottom line is that the document shows no sign of an embossed seal, the registrar's stamp and signature or any evidence of folding or
other handling. It looks less like a scanned authentic document than a digitally created document.
And that, right there, is our mystery.
[edit on 28-6-2008 by Tuning Spork]