Obama's Birth Certificate Confirmed VALID! , page 6


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reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 10:36 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by SRTkid86



but yous ee, you are ingoring the article posted in the other thread regarding this, where she was quoted as saying it's not valid.


what article?

what did she say before that? Im curious?

Well since you don't know, ill tell you

In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
and since you dont know - here is the source

so her words up there are used to say "see its fake because there's no seal"

BUT WAIT!!!

This post will point you in the right direction - to why you may not be able to see the seal on obama's C.o.B.
but you probably didnt see that.

Now who's ALMOST got it?

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 10:38 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by SRTkid86



okay, since we're gona do apples and oranges, you are right.

Muslim is not a race.

So, does that mean that you condone the idealistic thinking that says "DONT VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS MUSLIM!!!!!!"

im curious.


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 10:47 AM by SRTkid86
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



no not at all, as a matter of fact if you have paid any attention to what i have been saying. you would understand that i neither dislike the man nor do i like him. he is just another pawn in a meaningless government that he will have no control over anyhow.

i don't care who gets elected because either way, the same people are going to running the country.

i don't base my opinion of someone on their religion or skin color, i base it off their integrity, and their honesty, and a number of other reasons, none of which have ANYTHING to do with race or religion.

yuou guys are the one playing that card, nobody accusing him of putting up a fake birth certificate has said it was because he is muslim, or because he is black. as a matter of fact, you guys have done more the slander or rather libel the person you support then the people asking for the truth in this matter.

depending on what side of the fence you stand on, you are going to see people putting a sping on things, and i will admit sometimes i just like many other fall victim to it. but like i have said, nobody in here has done a sufficient job of proving their point. therefore, this goes in the "unknown" stack.


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 10:53 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by SRTkid86



You're dancing around the question

i didtn say you were arguing his stance on muslim faith

i didnt say the OP did

i gave a post to a person that did, and gave another post to 1.55 million results of people that did, in some way, insinuate its a crime for obama to be muslim (which he's not, but it wouldnt matter if he was)

i DID say that people DO say its a bad thing, and then i asked you if you condoned it. You havent answered that

you also fail to bring forth this "article" that "you" supposedly read yourself, that says this state official says obama's certificate is fake.

...still waiting
If you can show me she said its fake, then i will say to you "she contradicted herself, and her claims on both sides should be thrown out"


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 11:00 AM by SRTkid86
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to
post by SRTkid86



but yous ee, you are ingoring the article posted in the other thread regarding this, where she was quoted as saying it's not valid.


what article?

what did she say before that? Im curious?

Well since you don't know, ill tell you

In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
and since you dont know - here is the source

so her words up there are used to say "see its fake because there's no seal"

BUT WAIT!!!

This post will point you in the right direction - to why you may not be able to see the seal on obama's C.o.B.
but you probably didnt see that.

Now who's ALMOST got it?

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


did you not read the article, or did you just pick and choose what you wanted to quote.

here let me go ahead and put what you quoted into context for the people that aren't 100% up to date on this

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

like i said earlier they don't issue ONLY electronic birth certificates, so if he has the REAL hard copy why doesn't he just show this and be done with it.

also if you look on that wedpage they show what and ACTUAL hawaiian birth certificate looks liks vs. his

and on the REAL one there is a signature on it, and you can also very easily see the embossed symbol, yet strangely on Obamas you see neither of those.


also on a slightly LESS important note. you can see that the "scan" of his certificate has no crease which it would have to get if it were mailed to him, because a document this size will not slip into your standard envelope. while the one that they scanned for comparison, you can easily see the creases, like i said not quite as important but depending on how you view it, it shows that this was most likely never mailed to him. i know that when i got my abstract of birth from california, they didn't send to it me in a large manilla envelope, it was in your typical sized envelope.

also another thing pointed out in the article is the fact that the picture is hosted on photobucket... you mean to tell me that the webmaster for his website couldn't host the image on the same server that the website is on? he has to use a free and public photo sharing website to do that?
the scale itself is way off mark in comparison to the REAL one posted along with it as well.

look they have a scan of what a REAL one looks like, and they have one that shows what obama's looks like. if you can't see that something is obviously wrong with his then i dont know what to tell you. it's obvious at this point that you guys are as bad as the majority of Ron Paul supporters are. you will believe anything as long as it's in favor of your candidate, but if it isn't in his favor, you will almost stop at nothing, and use every excuse in the book, to try and stick up for him

it's great you guys feel so strongly about this, it shows that not all hope is lost for the country, i just wish you would question things a little more... even if you would hurt you make believe candy land vision that Obama is going to turn this into some kind of perfect utopia.


[edit on 6/27/08 by SRTkid86]


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 11:12 AM by SRTkid86
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



so we have proof that his was light, an that the other was very firm, or is this yet another best educated guess as to why it doesn't show up....


there is not even a slight trace of it being there. so you are telling me that you can emboss a peice of paper so lightly that not even a trace of it will show up when scanned.

and what about the registrar's signature? where is that?

and i have all day to do this too, i am sitting at work just as bored as you.


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 11:16 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by SRTkid86




look

all arguing aside

your questions, at this moment, dont have 100% provable answers. As you say - educated guesses from a state official. If anyone can make assumptions, its a state official

the state official said its a valid document
she would know - she deals with them every day.

The seal? Why it isnt scanned? Those have been answered already. Its not "definitive" in the sense that i can show you a picture of the backside of his document, but it is definitive in the sense that most of those in opposition say " see it IS fake because there's no seal"

we're saying "no its not fake because there's no seal, look here at what this state official said"

seriously - go read, competely, these two posts

Mine

Benevolent Heretics

you can make the argument "why read a biased post"

its biased in the sense we're both pointing to factual evidence to back our claim that the claims of those in opposition that say "ITS FAKE HERES PROOF" are farce.

Go read. Serioulsy


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 11:38 AM by SRTkid86
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



you've got a point, im just going to agree to disagree here. until a smoking gun comes up, it appears that nobody is going to be able to change anyone's mind and this will just degrade into a pissing match, it's well on it's way already.

that being said, it's refreshing to be able to actually debate things like this, these days it seem that the entire public is dumbed down so severely that they think it's dorky to follow politics and care.


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 11:59 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by SRTkid86
but yous ee, you are ingoring the article posted in the other thread regarding this, where she was quoted as saying it's not valid.


My bold.

Where in your post does it say "it's not valid"? I want to see the article where she was quoted as saying it's not valid. Thanks.


like i said earlier they don't issue ONLY electronic birth certificates, so if he has the REAL hard copy why doesn't he just show this and be done with it.


How would he show that? A picture of himself holding a certificate?? Would you (and everyone on the Internet who doubts it) believe that?


also if you look on that wedpage they show what and ACTUAL hawaiian birth certificate looks liks vs. his


And if you had kept up with the discussion (as I have) you would know why they look different. I'm not going over it again. Everything in the rest of your post has been answered and I'm not going over it again.

i know that when i got my abstract of birth from california, they didn't send to it me in a large manilla envelope, it was in your typical sized envelope.


Oh, well then I'm sure they didn't use a large envelope for him. If you got yours in a typical envelope, I'm sure that's what they did with Obama.


it's great you guys feel so strongly about this, it shows that not all hope is lost for the country, i just wish you would question things a little more...


We have. In fact I posted a lot of zoomed in pictures and asked questions and investigated it to the furthest reach available on an internet discussion board. This is (at least) the 4th thread on this certificate on ATS. Go look 'em up and read them. They're linked in my first post here.



[edit on 27-6-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]


reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 12:13 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by LLoyd45



I took the picture out because I don't know about copyright problems. But it was funny, huh?

But I wonder, Lloyd. What would convince you? I'd really like to know what would the people who don't believe this be convinced by... Care to share?
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