Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Mods, before you delete this thread, please keep in mind that there are no less than 3 threads claiming that the Certificate is a "fake".

I don't get this?

Why on earth would you think this thread would be deleted?

BH - Anything that actually denies ignorance is not going to get removed from ATS.

The reason there are three threads on the board is probably due to the date spacing, and the fact that things move so fast post wise they will have disappeared from view by the time the next one came around.

A flag and a star for you my friend...

I can't stand Obama, and I think he's the ticket to hell for this country, but I've tired of watching people reach with this birth certificate issue. Maybe now we can dig up some real skeletons in his closet.

Do I hear crickets? the swarthy swish of tumbleweeds? I thought sure this thread would get an equal amount of hits and attention as the others that brought up the potential problem of Senator Obama's birth certificate.

I'm not a fan of Senator Obama's, but am weary of the focal point of discusions surrounding him (and Senator McCain) being little details, mudslinging etc. Now, I was as interested as anyone when the subject of his birth certificate arose. It needed to be addressed. It has been. Fini.

Thanks! FINally. That particular grain in the eye of the process is done.

Let the games begin.

flagged and starred

can you hear the silence from the opposition?

*chipppp* *chirrrrrppp*

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*chirp*

silence is my favorite noise.

The relentless attacks against Obama here on ATSNN are obscene and are done for no other reason the the Republicans and hard right know they are going to lose and lose bad this year unless they can scare people.

They certainly can't run on the issues, after 8 years of bush minor and the neo-con take over they are intellectually and morally bankrupt.

If I could give you more than one star I would.

[edit on 26-6-2008 by grover]

someone please name one thing good obama has ever done.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. People act like there is actaully a difference between the candidates. No matter who gets elected as the next puppet, things will continue to go on as they always have. The plan is in place, things are moving along as planned. Nothing will change for better. It's only gonna get worse. Welcome to the ride!

lloyd, jetxnet, jamie, Helloooo!
Can we finally put this to rest now.
Thanks BH you S&Fed

Originally posted by 1cav1team
someone please name one thing good obama has ever done.

I think you miss the point.

Obama is being smeared BECAUSE he has a limited political past.
Is your argument that it is justifiable to create unsubstantiated lies because Obama has no long history of political accomplishment? Is this a straw-man?

Not being able to find dirt is no excuse for creating bold lies. I don't like liars.
I also don't believe every President had a long resume of major political accomplishments that we could say was "good" for the American public before they got into office. It didn't stop them from doing a decent job as President.

The sword also cuts both ways, though.

One could argue that the current President and Administration have more experience than Obama. Are you better off than you were eight years ago?
Is the country?

THAT is my concern. I don't want lies to fill the vaccum.
If Obama isn't the right choice, state so like an intelligent individual not some raving alarmist neo-con nutjob.

I will base my judgment of both candidates on fact alone.
As it is, I don't overwhelmingly feel anything more or less for either of them.

As a Republican though, I am more cautious of McCain following in the steps of this lackluster and disastrous "wild" bunch in office now.

- Lee

[edit on 26-6-2008 by lee anoma]

This is even more intriguing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it's fake. I'm saying that everything about it seemed strange. This latest story is no exception.

First, I'm not sure how some spokesperson could possibly confirm a jpeg that somebody emailed of Obama's CoB was "real". That makes no sense at all. In any event, it doesn't confirm that it is real because by definition the jpeg CAN'T be real. It's admittedly scanned and photoshopped. So the woman who "confirmed" isn't being accurate.

Second, did you see the jpeg on the site?



Why and how did they get a jpeg that has the green cross-hatched background going that far above the CoB? Did anybody see this before?

I never saw this, but maybe I missed it and the explanation for it.

Any ideas why this is like this?

Originally posted by grover

The relentless attacks against Obama here on ATSNN are obscene

You forgot to say the attacks are all by racists too.

And no, the relentless "attacks" are not even attacks. They're people voicing their dislike for Obama and his policies for the most part. Nothing at all obscene about that.

LOL... I just confirmed this.

The woman who "confirmed" the birth certificate is "real" is the same woman quoted in the other article saying that it should have had an embossed seal on it. Janice Okubu? I think that's her name. She's the director of communications.

I'm guessing she's going to be sorry she ever took this job.