Originally posted by lonewolf37
Try to get a passport by E-mailing your birthcertificate in. Or doing any other business transaction with an electronic copy of a birth certificate.

Again, we see the moving goal-posts.

You ask to see his birth certificate (for the mistaken belief that either a birth in Kenya or his religion at birth will somehow disqualify him from the presidency). When it is produced, you say it's not good enough, because of semantics.

When shown by the authorities that it is a valid document, you claim she was bribed, or she is mistaken. Or perhaps the most absurd, as you seem to now be demanding, you claim it is not good enough because you do not have a paper copy in your hands.

You asked to see the document, and you have seen it. It has been verified, by state officials that it is a valid document of the state. Let me ask you: How else do you expect to see it, other than electronically?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What's next, Jamie?

Forget it. They are a lost cause. No matter how much proof is presented showing that it is a real, valid document, they will dispute it, because it does not fulfill their racist fantasies.

I think a better question for them is: why are you so concerned about this non-issue?

[edit on 27-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]

For cuh-rying out loud, people! This has gone from the sublime, right on through ridiculous and on out the other side of absurd!

Does anyone really think that a candidate for president has not had his/her eligibility checked in person, by real people with real access to the real documents?

Does anyone really think that they'd leave this up to some conspiracy web site, no matter how good a one?

Does anyone really think that the government entity that is responsible for this confirmation would be biased towards Obama? Given the degree to which BushCo has politically corrupted every other government agency there is?

This issue isn't even a dead horse... it's a depression in the ground, with some hair and a few bits of bone sticking up.

Bored, now.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
Where exactly does she say it's an authentic copy? I must be missing it somehow.. Please quote that part of her reply for me, and we can end this discussion then and there.

Look at the very first post in this thread. She says in response to a reporter's email that it is a valid document of the State of Hawaii.

Originally posted by 1cav1team
someone please name one thing good obama has ever done.

one good thing?...not govern through fear.

This post has been debunked> I have already proven on page 2 that it is not official! It is a certificate of live birth not birth certificate! Clearly 2 different titles!

On top of this it is An electronic version. Which can easily be altered. She already said it is not the official birth certificate. That all she can give is a certificate of live birth. Which is done 2 different ways.

Originally posted by jimmyx
one good thing?...not govern through fear.

BS...the Democrats govern through fear as much as, if not more than, then Republicans. He may not be talking about terrorists, but they have their bogeymen.

But that isn't exactly on topic, and best left for discussion elsewhere.

Originally posted by SRTkid86
they never said it was a real confirmed autheitc REAL birth certificate, she basically said what amounted to "IT LOOKS REAL, BUT I CAN'T VERIFY WITHOUT OBAMA'S PERMISSION"

That is not what she said. You are twisting it, purposefully. She confirmed it was a real, valid document. What she couldn't confirm was the information on the document. Big difference.

Originally posted by SRTkid86
she also said that Hawaii doesn't issue electronic Certificates of Birth

No she didn't. You read what she said. You are beyond twisting it, you are now purposefully lying about it.

Originally posted by lonewolf37
On top of this it is An electronic version. Which can easily be altered. She already said it is not the official birth certificate. That all she can give is a certificate of live birth. Which is done 2 different ways.

No she didn't. You have read what she has said, it has been posted multiple times. Since you have read it and others have read it, it can only be concluded you are lying.

Once again, to prove you are lying, here is what she said:

"...a certificate of live birth is a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii."

Further, to debunk the lies about this not being an official document, what does the tiny text at the bottom of the document say?

[edit on 27-6-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by lonewolf37
Try to get a passport by E-mailing your birthcertificate in. Or doing any other business transaction with an electronic copy of a birth certificate.

Is that how you think he got his passport? You think he fooled the State Department and convinced them to give him a passport with a electronic copy? You think the Treasury department looked at an on-line picture and said, "Good enough! He can be president"? Or do you think he has to prove to everyone in the country that he's eligible to run for president by getting 300 million hard copies and mailing us each one?

Do you realize what you're asking here?

If this is such a big issue and if he really wants to put it to rest then why doesn't he just show up at a rally with an official copy of the birth certificate and some one to validate it's authenticity.

What makes you think this is a 'big issue' to him? He was asked to provide it and he did. For him, the issue is over. It's only a 'big issue' with you (speaking in the generic), the people who, no matter what, will not believe that Obama has every right to be the president. This has been proven. Every time someone posts some kind of validation, one of you 'moves the goalposts' as Savior said, and your "requirements" become more stringent.

It's become clear that the only way you guys will be satisfied is if an agent of the government (with proper identification and verification of that identification) comes to your door with the original document and a Hawaiian State Official to verify the document in front of your eyes while someone films the whole thing for you to scrutinize for a couple weeks afterwards, looking for a dastardly conspiracy. And even then, I'm not convinced that you'd believe it.

If he showed up at a rally and you weren't there (or even if you were), I'm absolutely sure you'd accuse him of hiring a "fake" authenticator.

NewsFlash: He is not required to satisfy the suspicious minds of every conspiracy theorist in the land. He is required to satisfy the Treasury Dept (or whatever agency verifies personal information).

The fact is, we on ATS CAN NOT 100% verify this document. Or even 50%. We don't have it in our hands. We are not experts. There is an agency (of experts) whose job it is to specifically verify and validate that people running for president have the credentials to do so. I guarantee you, they aren't working from an electronic copy. They've done this before.