Life in the U.S. is a joke

reply to post by azblack



are you saying this country is supposed to be a democracy? if so, then i beg of you to go back and study history. this country was meant to be a constitutional republic. i find it funny that my kids (5 and 6 yrs old) know this and a lot of ppl on here don't.

a little cartoon educational ad came on one of the channels my kids watch w/ the whole sing songy theme and firecrackers and the constitution dancing around...... the words they were singing were about this country and democracy. my older son looked at me and said "they are wrong momma." that's my boy! (of course, they had to learn that from me bc schools are teaching otherwise these days).

thus the #1 problem in this country. too many ill informed ppl..... good intentioned or not.......learn the history of your country.



“The best principles of our republic secure to all its citizens a perfect equality of rights.” ~ Thomas Jefferson


"All good government is and must be republican."
~John Adams

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.

~ THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA



When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

~ Benjamin Franklin

Can you explain why me thinking I'm free is incorrect? I need examples.
Can you explain who the government is suppose to function without taxes?
Can you please point out who elects the people into Congress?
Can you point out who is in charge of their own education?
Can you tell me what you expect to happen to people who break the law?
Do you have a better solution to the War on Terror?
Answer those questions before you begin to critize life in America.

reply to post by justamomma


A star from me for being well informed and informing well!

There are more horrible places out there that you can go live if you don't like life in the U.S.
Its not a perfect country but its the only place I would live in the world right now.

reply to post by justamomma

In political theory, democracy describes a small number of related forms of government and also a political philosophy. Even though there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy is required to have. The first principle is that all members of the society have equal access to power and the second that all members enjoy universally recognised freedoms and liberties.[4][5][6]

Wikipedia

A constitutional republic is a type of democracy. There are limitations on our type of democracy to prevent mob rule and to protect citizens from govt. control, to put it simply.


list of types of democracy with subtypes under them (click here)

Republicans always say that crap to make it seem as if there's some connection with their name, keep on bringing up stuff that has no relevance!
If you want and only if it makes you feel better, I'll start referring to our country as a constitutional republic, how bout that for compromise!
They should have left the Republican party named the Whip, it sure describes their attitude much better.
I assume I made a big mistake by even mentioning a party affiliation I did not mean to derail this thread, Sorry.



[edit on 3-7-2008 by azblack]I just gave you a star for being mis-informed.

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reply to post by azblack


hey, i've done my homework.... wasn't assigned in school, but taking a course in american government was enough to say something was up w/ the way terminology is being used.


educate yourself, not me. lol i am fully aware of the difference between what was intended and what they are misleading us to believe we are.





to say we were MEANT to be and should be a democracy is extremely misinformed. i saw it explained somewhere that a constitutional republic is to a democracy what an oak is to a tree. it IS its own identity.

to assume it is not its own seperate identity, sets us up for a whole mess of trouble.



i searched for a good explanation of the why it is dangerous to believe that we are living purely under a democracy and lo and behold, good ol' ron paul says it best in terms that are understandable to us, the less informed.



" pure Democracy is nothing more than "mob rule" with no provisions for the rights of the individual. The Founding Fathers saw this as one of the worst forms of government and in their wisdom provided a framework to secure the rights of the individual, ie., a Constitution and a Bill of Rights with separation of powers subject to Judicial Review which is the "Rule of Law" we live under.

True that we do elect our head of state and representatives by a Democratic system, ie., majority popular vote. (Although with the Electoral College and the Florida debacle that's even in question), but that aside, once our head of state and representatives are elected democratically they are bound by their oath of office to "uphold, obey and defend the Constitution, so help them God" thus a Constitutional Republic.

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is checked by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power. The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power, makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican."


www.dailypaul.com...




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oh and i just went and looked at your link and you proved my point well. thank you! if we are to call ourselves a democracy, look at the mess of systems they could set up over us.

again, constitutional republic yields quite a different fruit than say, democratic socialism (which would be "democracy" according to how you choose to view it) or totalitarian democracy (which seems to be close to where we are now.... go read up on that one for *snips* and grins en.wikipedia.org...)

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Man call it what you want, like I said it is a type of Democracy. Everything Ron Paul said was almost exactly the information I gave you!

I don't understand what your point is and what it has to do with my first reply. I mean I'll argue with you all day about this if you want to I just would like to know it's relevance.

First of all you are right, to some degree, a democracy is a type of govt. a Constitutional Republic is a sub-type of a Democracy. We are in fact set up in this sub-manner. But, when you get down to it, we elect the officials, once they are elected they use democratic methods of voting to pass the laws, then there are some checks and balances. It's a more complicated form of democracy, but a democracy still.

Do we really need to argue about this anymore, I don't believe I have even mentioned the word Democracy before you brought it up, what gives dude?

Is this the type of arguement where you prove me wrong on one particular irrelevant issue in hopes you will be right about something, thereby making me wrong and therefore unreliable? If so bring it on, I mean really, where did this all come from? Is this just what you had on your mind and you decided to let it all go on me, I can't figure out your motivation, nor what it has to do with my post. I was just making comments in general, you remind of the annoying little spell check underline on Microsoft word. You just pop for no reason and point out something nobody cares about!


I went back and found where I mentioned it sorry, I did bring it up when I mentioned Capitalism and Democracy, but who really cares, it's the same arguement anyway?


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Originally posted by justamomma

again, constitutional republic yields quite a different fruit than say, democratic socialism (which would be "democracy" according to how you choose to view it) or totalitarian democracy (which seems to be close to where we are now.... go read up on that one for *snips* and grins en.wikipedia.org...)

I think were probalby one of those last one's you mentioned today, as we stand now, maybe, social, or totalitarian Democracy, You say that's what we are closest to now, why harass me? IT'S STILL DEMOCRACIES!

Originally posted by azblack
reply to post by justamomma

 

Man call it what you want, like I said it is a type of Democracy. Everything Ron Paul said was almost exactly the information I gave you!



Do we really need to argue about this anymore,

Is this the type of arguement where you prove me wrong on one particular irrelevant issue in hopes you will be right about something, thereby making me wrong and therefore unreliable? If so bring it on, I mean really, where did this all come from?

I went back and found where I mentioned it sorry, I did bring it up when I mentioned Capitalism and Democracy, but who really cares, it's the same arguement anyway?


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i understand where your questions are coming from lol. no, i have no intents to prove anyone wrong for purely proving wrong's sake. someone else asked the same thing. i am not about being right all the time and have been proven wrong MORE than one would like to admit lol.

it is just that ppl aren't understanding ..... THIS, this misunderstanding of terminology IS where they "get you." this is what they are teaching kids in our school and half the parents don't argue because they don't understand.

this is where things start to get shaky and fine lines are walked btw our individual rights remaining intact and being taken away.

it is our duty to be informed and to be aware. you will see it all the time in "law," the use of words that have different meanings.

why do you think ppl on here are so frightened by the patriot act. i mean it says terrorist, right? am i terrorist? no... not at all.... but then you look at how they define terrorist and suddenly a number of ppl on this site would be considered terrorist.

democracy is so vague.

i mean it is like saying that an a fig comes from a tree. to me and you, it seems obvious that a fig doesn't come from an apple tree. but you teach an up and coming generation who aren't used to going and doing their own research that a fig comes from a tree and if they don't do research, they could plant an apple tree seed and only too late do they realize that not all trees produce the same fruit.

i don't correct you for purposes of feeling "above you"..... quite the opposite. i care about ppl and this IS a dangerous brainwashing technique that is being used on all of us. i just want to make ppl aware of why it is critical to know the difference btw a constitutional republic and pure democracy.

if you love the truth, you can't deny me this. i just see us going down the wrong path, dude. i care, that is why i say something.

reply to post by justamomma
Your're half right and that's more credit than I give most people, But answer me this all knowing one,
If I was to tell you"Hey man a tree fell through my house!!"

Would you come up to me and argue with me for twenty minutes "it wasn't a tree at all, it was an oak tree"

Maybe you would be right but I would still call you a smart a**, throw my beer can at you, and go back to cutting my TREE up!

Sorry I ruffled the Republican feathers everyone, can we just get back to business. Maybe that's what's wrong today, present an issue, and somebody's gonna argue till their out of breath you spelled it wrong unstead of concentrateing onthe issue.

How easy we are distracted, huh!!!



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hey, thanks for the all knowing comment . lol have never been called that one before.

listen, i am not looking to argue for arguements sake. take it for what it is. everyone complains about losing their rights and yet they are not informed as to HOW they are losing them. well, i am just trying to clear things up.

i could honestly not give a *snip* about what tree falls through your house. you are on your own in figuring that one out.

[Try reading the Constitution and you will find a 2nd, 4th, 5th and 9th Amendment that are still the supreme law of the land but are unlawfully violated by the Government with impunity. Can't you see what is going on in front of your eyes?

Originally posted by Dearg
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I'm so glad you asked.

I've spent four or more days in each of the following; Germany, the UK, Ireland, France, and Italy. Once our unit left Afghanistan in early '05 I spent a couple of months in Georgia as well, doing training exercises and working with the local forces while we taught them some of our tricks of the trade. Basic marksmanship, radio comm, MCMAP, etc. (my job there was MCMAP)

You should really read a person's posts before making things personal. I'm not offended, just amused. Now, as for my reasons...

Well, currently Germany's got a terrible birth rate while it's percentage of senior citizens just keeps rising. It's got a glass ceiling for women the likes of which would send Americans screaming for equal opportunity, and oh, let's not forget the underlying tension between what used to be East and West German citizens. Add that onto a sensitivity about antisemitic remarks (DON"T be the idiot saying 'That freakin Jew' or 'Dude, how Jewish') and you've got a really pleasant place to live, yeah. No thanks.

Italy's nice, I'll give it that. Somehow. They've got the fourth or fifth highest population density in all of Europe, a waste disposal problem, and a political system that makes our laugh and point at it. Then again, they've only existed as a unified nation since what, 1870? That's an even younger nation than we are, governmentally speaking. Don't get me wrong, if I had to live in Europe I'd choose Italy as my second option.

I don't like France. Sorry. The culture's just too far off from what I grew up with. That was a surreal experience.

The UK is...different. I've got a half-dozen friends living in the UK and I try to avoid asking what bugs them about their country. Like us here stateside, they seem to have a list miles long. For me though, the biggest problem is their gun control. For that reason alone I won't live there. I don't have many complaints about the UK, especially as I don't live there, but their gun control is a disaster.

Ireland is lovely, but when compared to the US it's like the difference between NY, NY and...say, Arkansas. If I moved to Ireland it would be to abandon modern life, because that would be the best way to integrate with it's people. You can talk to plenty of people who haven't traveled farther than the next town in all their lives, and see no need to. Nope, if I were to leave the US I would go to the Emerald Isle, and more for familial reasons than any other. Good Olde County Fermanagh.

Those are but a handful of countries that make up Europe. Europe also has Croatia, Serbia, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, oh gee, let's not forget a chunk of Russia, and plenty more besides. Instead of labeling an entire continent, with it's myriad problems, better than the US, go ahead and pick and choose. Yes, I understand that traveling between European countries is a bit different than going to Canada or Mexico, but until the EU can claim a national flag, it is a collective of national representatives. Come on now.


I stand by my statement that given the choice, I would rather live in America's best years than that of any European nation.

well i m born in bosnia while it was a yugo republic still and i lived in germany from 92 to 98 -from 98 i m in florida untill now and god knows for how long .This is the thing:it sucks man... there is no city -its all corperate ,sleazy ,just get it done mentality ,houses look like children build them ,people behave like robots ,i was i new york city for a month and its a bitt diferent (people were friendly though and didnt behave like robots)just that its a big zoo and you can only find peace in central park ,while europe is designed that you walk trough a downtown without any cars interfering -fussgenger zone is what the germas call it -it does not exist in the us of a.

but i m not suprised -i dont except anything else from a country that is used by the royal crown as a huge corperation -they just exchanged the pound for the dollar ,and retreated as if they lost the war .so anyone who thinks that england is the 52nd state should really sit down and think about who is who's state ,no one of you cant forget that the central structures of might and evil are in London and Paris my friends. An you tell me you lived in europe as a military officer -thats just like being a turist and taking tours-live there-go to the shop every day-learn the language -italian -german or whatever and then you will feel the spirit ,look at google earth and type in 50° 0'36.62"N 110° 6'39.42"W
then you will see a little devil on the top of that indian head...so there you go
even the mountains have spoken what belongs to who.

I am also an American and I would just like to say that the US has become a police state, where the government wants to control everything you do, from what you think to what you see on television, to what you believe. This is a sad time in America, I can only hope that people will actually wake up.