slackerwire, you certainly did get to the gist of it and as much as it pains me to admit it I do believe you are correct. I'm amazed daily at just how clever this war on terror has been in making Americans more than willing to give up their freedoms for protection. What they don't seem to understand is that we are now being treated as if we are terrorists. I will not be subjected to personal search in order to fly, attend sporting events, etc. ever again. I am a middle-aged American woman who will not be unnecessarily harrassed in order to be protected. I'll stay home, and if the day ever comes that I am harrassed in my own home I am prepared to defend myself come what may.

certainly i hear your frustration. i am 31 and have discussed these kind of things w/ friends of my age range. seems like the world kind of changed over night when really it was our perspective. we used to look at the world around us through our innocence, then through our naiveness, and then it switched into actually SEEING IT.

i have decided that i need a new perspective to see it from so that my life doens't become one of hate and bitterness. thus, i started searching for wisdom and somewhere in that search, i started seeing things going on through love. not mushy yucky boy meets girl and wants to lay w/ girl kind of love; not humanistic, everyone join hands and sing 'kum ba ya' kind of love; a different kind of love. a love i have no words for yet. one that SEES everything you said and instead of feeling angry at all the things you mentioned, feels a connection w/ you in regards to these things going on.


there is nothing i can personally do to change these things other than speak out against them. other than that, i make sure that MY life isn't a joke. life in america in general may very well be, but my life and the lives of those that touch mine, and YOUR life certainly are no joke.

*oh.... starred and flagged bc i have been feeling like posting much the same thing that you did. very well said, btw

[edit on 25-6-2008 by justamomma]

So I guess your looking for a country where it is perfectly legal to run around naked, abuse drugs, get housing for free, and never have to worry about people disagreeing with you?

I guess it could have its advantages??? Good luck finding that place though.

This great country is what you make of it my friend. If you want change make change. Get an education and a job and that will change your circumstances - I've seen it. Don't like the politics? Get out and vote.
This is the freedom land. If you aren't lazy, you truly have the opportunity too prosper. Higher education and a good honest job, that's the ticket to freedom.
Thanks,
Vance

Originally posted by RRconservative
So I guess your looking for a country where it is perfectly legal to run around naked, abuse drugs, get housing for free, and never have to worry about people disagreeing with you?

I guess it could have its advantages??? Good luck finding that place though.

Who said anything about getting housing for free?

People are free to disagree all they want, but the moment they attempt to stifle something they disagree with is where my problem begins.

Originally posted by vance
This great country is what you make of it my friend. If you want change make change. Get an education and a job and that will change your circumstances - I've seen it. Don't like the politics? Get out and vote.
This is the freedom land. If you aren't lazy, you truly have the opportunity too prosper. Higher education and a good honest job, that's the ticket to freedom.
Thanks,
Vance

Money isn't a problem for me, nor is getting a job. I own my own business.

There are more important things than employment and cash however, freedom being one of them.

wow. there are a couple of reactions here that kind of seem unnecessary, although you are certainly free, thank the good lord and the folks who run ats, to post it.

i see his post as a venting of sorts. not something that should be taken and thrown back into his face. he is making observations and reacting to those observations.. certainly not anything to get upset about, right?

i find this kind of thread (ranting about life in america) much easier to take since it comes from another person INSIDE america. the venting that i do find frustrating is the venting about america by those who don't reside in it.

anyway, point is, i see a vent here worthy of being acknowledged by those who can relate, but not trashed by those who can't. just my opinion

[edit on 25-6-2008 by justamomma]

I take it you haven't done much traveling.

You have no idea of the privilege we have as Americans.

So I guess your looking for a country where it is perfectly legal to run around naked, abuse drugs, get housing for free, and never have to worry about people disagreeing with you?


I guess it could have its advantages??? Good luck finding that place though.

No property tax.

No laws criminalizing ingestion of certain substances.

No people complaining about seeing a human body.


There's plenty of uninhabited islands where this would be possible.

ever notice how capitalism was encourage to prevent monopolies? But in the end it helped created them due to lack of properly keeping up with the times... ''

I see all the companies that ive seen before, either staying the same or merging to change their name so they seem fresh or new.. when in fact its just the same companies you've bought from in the beginning.

Its the money game, its the reason we seem to run into a stalemate... The only sector that is cranking out new companies is the It an sales sector... and I mean software, hardware, or trivial items like toys or left handed paint brushes...

but not Tvs, Cars, Energy, Banking, communication, I tend to keep seeing the same old companies running their game... like it was their corner...

An companies I see trying to stand up to them an offer discounted prices always seems to fail.

Almost nothing is set up to run for the people to benefit, even welfare is becoming a joke.

An the Work Hard an Get a good job an goto school, you guys havent been applying for jobs lately huh? Theirs Degreed People combating with High school drops outs and grads alike for jobs now... Low end jobs mind you. And alot of people aren't hiring the Degreed folks for wary that they wont stay for long since they have good recommendations....

Its gonna fall apart sooner or later... Key to a countries survival is the welfare of its people. When the welfare of its people is neglected an ugly chain of events will occur that will unravel that country to its core....

[edit on 25-6-2008 by Trance Optic]

Well if you don’t like America, why don’t you move out?

How many times have you heard that one? Myself I lost count.
Hang in there we got ATS.

More America bashing.I know enough people from the US that will argue with you and win rather easily.There is no threat of govt towards americans.There is a threat of radical Islam and extremists period.Whether they are religious ,ideological or political.They can be communists(political),athiests(ideological) or radical islamists or desert islamists(religious).Religious radicals can also be Christian,jewish ,Buddist (think of those who set themselves on fire during the Vietnam war),or Hindu(ghandis assasins).Jewish-i believe Rabin was assasinated by an extremist israeli settler if im not mistaken.
War is upon us and has been since sept 11 2001.I also believe this to be world war 3 since it encompasses the entire globe.Say what you want about the CIA ,FBI or the US govt ,it all falls on deaf ears here until this war is won.Islamic extremists estimate they can have control of America by 2020.I know americans wont stand for that, i know i wont.Ironically an article fowarded by blacklisted news to me about martial law in the US being implemented says the EXACT same year.
I now know that there is definetly a propaganda war being waged by Americas enemies within the US and outside of it.
I repeat my call to patriots in the West to stand your ground and DO NOT be overrun by extremists who hide behind our laws and goodwill.Stay alert and stay vigilant against these extremists and we will win by defeating the hatred and confusion they have spread within our societies.Use your mind and it will become clear for you.Dont take some one elses word for happenings elsewhere.
Our countries and govts are in a pitched battle for supremacy of the world we will not fail.Better to be a capitalist democracy or republic ,than a theocratic tyranny.
Question everything including websites you visit and be suspicious of those which encourage rebellion,hate and generally make you feel uneasy.Use your instincts.I used mine and thats how i came up with the America we stand united post.
The West stand United against world terrorism on the web and in the real world.
John Mccain 08!

Slackerwire,

We've certainly had some differences, but I believe they end at Blackwater, because I sure hear you on this brother!

Seems you've gotten quite a few replies from people who haven't read things like the Patriot Act or NSPD-51. After a statement such as yours, you're surely going to get barraged by the "what freedoms have you lost" crowd. These people simply don't understand that it's not so cut and dry as "now you have it, now you don't". It's the power to take them away when and how they please that our government has been so relentlessly pursuing (and obtaining). To these people I only say two things: 1, investigate the "rights" that people labeled "terrorists" have. 2, investigate the federal governments definition of a terrorist. With enough thought, any one of us could be deemed "terrorists" by their definition.

Originally posted by MrMysticism
Ok, unless you are born into money and your parents are paying tuition then you have to get grants which is about 5 percent change right now. Getting a student loan is signing your life away. You end up paying ten times the amount due to inflation and interest rates fluctuating during your life. Not to mention all the late penalties because you are struggling at the beginning of your carrer.

Not to turn this into an education thread, but I am so tired of seeing this stuff. Its simply not true. You can go to college for free if your a good student - at most state universities you don't even have to be that good either. Yes, its going to take time studying to get good grades and time to apply for those full ride scholarships - but no one said you didn't have to work for it if you want it free. Want to go to a school beyond your abilities or do poorly? Then your going to pay for it. And you should.


[edit on 25-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]