To those of you who keep telling people who dont like it to leave... Whats your plan when all of us do leave and your taxes get hiked so you can't afford all your nifty things? Hopefully for you the border wont be locked down by then...

If you do want a free home, try Amsterdam... that place is truely free...

Funny how they have all sorts of "immoral" and "horrible" things there... but yet i feel safer walking their streets at 3am than i do at the mall here... even without my gun.

We/America need to get our acts together...

Also for those who endorse censorship "for the kids" I (sorta) quote George Carlin "Frag the kids!" Kids are the parents problem, if you think "free" media should be censored for the kids then you shouldnt have had any... mainly just to remove your "unable to be responsible for yourself" genes from the gene pool. Tell me why should I have to pay for uncensored media? You should have to pay for censored media... and not with my tax dollars either.

Its called personal responsibility people... if you dont have that then the supreme court recently upheld the 2nd amendment (thank goodness) so go buy a gun and remove yourself from the gene pool.

Everytime you censor or ban something, (porn, guns, drugs, etc.) you dont get rid of it, you just push it to the black market and give criminals a way to make more money, which they use violence and other methods to achieve. YOUR the source of America's problems, not those of us who want to "free it up".

Sorry if I ranted and got off topic, but ignorant people annoy me.

Anyways, the OP is right, this country is going downhill and if something isnt done soon then the only people left will be those telling everyone who complained to get out... and they'll be in line, at the death camp.

The world is running out of easy to access good quality oil. This is a reality. Saudi Oil production of good quality crude peaked in 2005, all their increases since then, have been in low grade crude. The end of oil's domination, due to its abundance making it too cheap for alternative energy sources to compete, has arrived. Those who want to live in denial of this reality are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

This is good news, as the development of alternative energy sources will be far more labor intensive and far more difficult to control by the world's elites who came into power primarily due to oil's domination of the worlds energy supply. The industrial age is ending, and the information age is just beginning, and it looks like the information age may free us from the IC's NWO efforts, and vastly improve our society.

Modern technology has created greater changes to humanity than humanity has ever seen before, and we are still adjusting to these changes. But a few generations before, most of the world killed and cleaned their dinner on the day that they ate it. Survival was a challenge just a little over a hundred years ago, life was cheap, and you couldn't just turn on the boob tube and zone out. Today, in the developed western nations, you can live on the streets as a bum, and not have to worry all that much about survival.

The generation gap that existed in the sixties is pretty much gone these days. The family structure is starting to repair itself. Fathers are re-discovering their roles as fathers in the west. The IC's want to keep us busy all the time, to keep us from regaining control over our lives, to keep us earning money that primarily goes to the worlds elites. The IC's want to keep us in debt, keep us on the run, keep us from enjoying the vast increases in productivity that working people have created.

We should all be working thirty hour weeks and enjoying three day weekends every week and four day weekends on the holidays. Election days when we are to vote should be mandatory national holidays, so that people participate in the democratic process. This is how we can take back our liberties.

Ignore the smoke and mirrors and educate yourself on the realities of this world, and start pushing for 30 hour weeks. That is the first change we need to start insisting upon.

Apparently, safety is more important than freedom. People have become so scared of death that they would be willing to live in a bubble their whole lives to avoid dying. Personally, I would rather spend the next two years of my life free and scared rather than twenty years of being protected while my freedoms were next to nothing.

slackerwire, good post, at least i know there is one smart American out there.

My Advice, pack you bags and get out of the country.

Good post.

After dragging myself through each page of this thread, I think the overwhelming feeling of people here is that freedom doesn't exist the way we want it. That's fine, and to be expected.

'What? You're fine with our messed up freedoms?'

Not at all. I do think however that some people here, and a LOT of people all over the US have grown up with a bad definition of freedom.

Main Entry: free·dom Pronunciation: \ˈfrē-dəm\ Function: noun Date: before 12th century 1: the quality or state of being free: as a: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b: liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : independence c: the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous d: ease, facility e: the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken f: improper familiarity g: boldness of conception or execution h: unrestricted use 2 a: a political right b: franchise, privilege

okay, the first definition is up for debate. #1b. Who's in chains and writing on this forum? Slavery exists in the US, yes, but does it exist freely, accepted, within our society? No.
#1c-f. Don't even get me started on this one. How else can a bunch of uneducated, ill-informed sheep start baaing about their problems in a nation with a better quality of life than the majority of the world's population? We can get away with an awful lot that in other nations would have us arrested or dead in the street as a lesson to others. As for the other definitions of freedom, I feel we have more power as individuals to effect change within our legal system legally than all but a handful of nations worldwide.

And here's my personal definition of freedom. It has no tangible state of being, but is instead an unattainable ideal for any group of two or more people. As a nation it is a huge struggle to approach the goal of freedom, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. No matter what laws we pass or wars we fight, there will always be a minority of opinion or privilege. Freedom is like peace among nations, fleeting and precious, and like every other treasure I think America has come closest to actually touching it. Not right now, because we seem to have decided as a whole that we'd rather feel safe at night. Fools all. No one can just walk up and give you freedom, you'll never wake up one morning and find that it's descended like a blanket over your home. You have to earn freedom the way you earn anything else of worth, through hard work and determination.
Sadly, people within the government have set rules in place that allow them to take our perceived freedoms away for the smallest offense, and only too late have we begun to realize what we allowed into the house. Ben Franklin ahd it right when he said that 'Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.'

I'll close all that stuff with this. I joined the US Marines in 2002 and got out in November of '07. In that time I've set foot on foreign soil I never want to see again, and been in ports that were a breath of fresh air. But nowhere I went did I feel at home, until I landed on American soil. Nothing smells better to me than our mountain air, nothing better than a California sunrise. So it pisses me off to no end to see punks crying about not being able to do this or that. You don't like it? Exercise some freakin' backbone and make a change! But if all you're ever going to do is complain, let me know now so I can ignore your brainless prattle.

Have a nice day!

Originally posted by Dearg
Exercise some freakin' backbone and make a change! But if all you're ever going to do is complain, let me know now so I can ignore your brainless prattle.

Have a nice day!

i can concur w/ this and think this is the major epiphany this thread has helped to bring me to.

no point in continuing to complain unless one is ready to take some action. what actions? that is up to your own personal discretion. there are actions to be taken all around us, it is only a matter of us realizing the difference between comfort and true liberty.

and thus, i am sure the complaining will continue while little gets done. ppl love their comforts far too much. i have always said i would be fine w/ the amish lifestyle (minus the religion and the head to toe clothing part lol), so there are certainly MANY things i can surrender and/or do to make an impact (albeit, on my own it is dent in a dent in a dent of an impact, but at least i am contributing to the solution now instead of just "blowing out air"; and the more ppl that start letting some of these comforts and security blankets go, the more of an impact it will finally make).

Look I'm Canadian, and even I know that the "freedom" that America personifies was stripped away slowly but surely by international financeers who, prior to America, had always ruled the Old World Europe through usury.
I can't think of any country in history that was as free as pre-1913 America. There was hardly ANY taxes, and a man with a job could easily support himself and his family. There was an INCREDIBLE moral foundation as well, and a universal sense of pride because just about everyone was getting theirs. The currency was based directly on precious metals, and so the US dollar became one of the strongest currencies. Diplomatic relations were based solely on trade, and international alliances were never formed because the founding fathers had forbidden it.

America and Americans are husks of what they once used to be.

And please don't tell me how bad Canada is I know. We were never really free at all.

Maybe it comes down to a sacrifice of freedom for wealth, or wealth for freedom. How do you strike a balance. Freedom still exists in this country, and the good ole days were never as good as advertised. I would say we had more freedoms in the seventies, but the energy crisis and cheap labor overseas made us take a step back. We are all on the same planet, and so we all make sacrifices to hang on to what we got. If life gets to be too easy, we all tend to get our selves into trouble trying to find that next horizon.