My UFO meeting with Sr. Air Force personnel

A SINCLAIR - OP? I've been on ATS under other screne names since 2005 and I've been doing UFO research for 10 years. So don't think I'm some 16 year old kid posting BS on ATS.

Thanks Mods for reminding me and all of us. I think we have beaten the dead horse long enough or at least kicked it a couple of times. I don't see us getting any more out of this thread other than "shoulda, coulda, wouldas" and treating the OP like dirt. At least he had intestinal fortitude to go out and try and get possible answers for himself and to share what he got, although not much. I think the next best bet is to wait and see if he gets in touch with the Doc and recieves anymore info; although probably slim chance at best but worth a try none the less.

The way I felt was the guy's smirk was one of "this kid knows his [snip] but I'm not going to acknowledge it."

Just my gut feeling after staring back at him with a "don't [snip] with me look"



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[edit on 24-6-2008 by elevatedone]

ufo reality, any chance you could address some of the genuine questions people have asked (including mine on the bottom of page 5)?

People aren't asking you to defend yourself, just develope some of what you've said further. For my part what I wrote probably came off as a little rude and for that I'm sorry, but I feel they were still valid questions.

Explaining things is not the same as defending yourself, and I'm sorry that the people who are jumping up and down on your make you feel that way...


*Sorry for the repost but both of the posts I've made on this thread were the last post on a page, and fankly, most people don;t read the final post on a page so they're easily missed*...

Originally posted by ufo reality
If you try to contact him or anyone else from ATS does for that matter and I loose contact with him I am going to be very pissed off, I will never go on ATS again, and I will talk about it on Coast to Coast AM and anywhere else I can. So I suggest everyone leaves Dr. Butler alone.

The images he took were with a digital SONY cam. They were as good as he could take! I told you for some reason it doesn't show it's true character in pictures! What more do you want from me?!

There is no need to get defensive or make threats. For your information, any picture taken with a digital camera would be of considerable quality (1200dpi) and resolution, much more than a 3x3 thumbnail (72dp1).

In fact, you could've had your photographer friend email you the photos in the time you have taken since you started this thread, but unfortunately you have chosen not to.

It is fair to assume that just about anyone on this planet who believes they have a piece of a real ET ship would have taken much more considerable attention to these details.

And you all wonder why people make fun of us.

YOU the researcher expect us all to believe that you not only have a piece of ET's craft, but that the Air Force humored you and brought various individuals in to meet with you. YOU the UFO researcher who's been doing this for 10 years then had to borrow a camera and take lousy shots of what could be anything. I doubt that even Wolf Blitzer could get such a meeting but somehow you managed it. Whats even more amazing is that as a researcher for 10 years you took genuine extraterrestrial artifacts and handed them over to the ones that are hampering your very research. THIS IS WHY THEY MAKE FUN OF US! THIS IS WHY IT'S HARD TO EVEN MENTION UFO IN GOOD COMPANY.

I am finished!


AS-

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR
And you all wonder why people make fun of us.

YOU the researcher expect us all to believe that you not only have a piece of ET's craft, but that the Air Force humored you and brought various individuals in to meet with you. YOU the UFO researcher who's been doing this for 10 years then had to borrow a camera and take lousy shots of what could be anything. I doubt that even Wolf Blitzer could get such a meeting but somehow you managed it. Whats even more amazing is that as a researcher for 10 years you took genuine extraterrestrial artifacts and handed them over to the ones that are hampering your very research. THIS IS WHY THEY MAKE FUN OF US! THIS IS WHY IT'S HARD TO EVEN MENTION UFO IN GOOD COMPANY.

I am finished!


AS-

This is why we will get no where.

Originally posted by Vector J
Interesting thread.

What worries me about this meeting is that these "bigwigs" were probably there to laugh at you. Most likely the good Dr informed those he reports too about the meeting, likely saying something along the lines of 'I'm meeting a guy to talk about UFO's and he says he's got a fragemnt of one' and they replied 'hmm, I'd like to sit in on that' with the intention of either discovering you had something important that you shouldn;t, at which point this would have been a very different thread, or more likely see it as something insignificant or just rubbish and leave the meeting and have a good laugh about it.

I cannot believe that you know no-one with a scanner or else have no internet cafes or the like in your locale that you could use to scan it. Library? I also cannot believe you know no-one with a camera other than a guy from a forum who then took terible pictures of what could have been amazing evidence. Didn't the place you had it anaylised take pictures they could provide you with?

I don't for one second buy that 'pilots like to buzz their homes in experimental craft' was the bit of 'private information' you didn;t want to share. Your explination that "It's just something I wanted to keep private, nothing more nothing less. I felt like it was something I wanted to keep to myself." is plain ridiculous. Why on earth would you want to keep that to yourself when this place is, and ostensibly you are, all about disclosure? And why would you describe something like that as being 'private'? That I simply cannot fathom.

Personally I believe that they didn;t look at the documents because if they even picked them up to browse, that would instantly give credence to the idea that they might contain something classified. They already knew you didn't because unless you were insane you would have released that info when you found it, not neatly put it in a manilla file and walked into their hands to pretty much say 'hey guys, look what I found!' a half second before the black bag falls over your head and you feel a needle in your arm...

I apologise if you consider anything I've said to be harsh or rude. I thank you for arranging the meeting, going through with it and coming back here to report about it. We need more researchers like you who put in the legwork, and maybe this could have opened a door to future meetings?

Just my 2p...

I honestly know no one with a scanner. The place I took it to be analyzed did just that.....they analyzed it, they didn't take pictures of it.

I don't need to explain to you why I wanted to keep that private. And I won't.

I do find some of what you've said to be harsh and rude, but I take no offense to it, nor by what anyone else says about me on ATS.

Originally posted by ufo reality


This is why we will get no where.

We will get no where without better pictures as well. Please email your friend and ask him to send you some hi-res stuff. Without better pics, there's not much to really prove here.

Originally posted by A SINCLAIR

YOU the UFO researcher who's been doing this for 10 years then had to borrow a camera and take lousy shots of what could be anything.

AS-

So eloquent.

Looking for the holy grail without a camera for 10 years.

Nuff' said.

Originally posted by ufo reality


I honestly know no one with a scanner. The place I took it to be analyzed did just that.....they analyzed it, they didn't take pictures of it.

I have a scanner. Tell you what. Send me one of your nuggets and I will scan it at hi-res. U2U me and I will give you my address.



[edit on 24-6-2008 by NightVision]

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Thanks for the reply, and I really am sorry about the tone of my initial post, I need to check myself a bit more before replying so that I don't get taken for one of the many ATS trolls.

No libaray or net cafes near you?

And you're right, you don;t need to explain the whole private info things, but I think a lot of people would still like to see your justification on that. But hey, it's obvious you're not going to, so hey...

reply to post by ufo reality


Ufo Reality,

With all due respect, many have asked some valid questions here but you have ignored them.

Can you please answer questions?

So far you have provided us with nothing other than a piece of silicon.

You claim to have a piece of a UFO, Oh come on where and how?

What makes you believe it's from a UFO, who told you or where do you base your evidence on?

What kind of ufologist shows nothing and talks about meeting the bigwigs but shares nothing?

Is this thread to further your reputation or is it for attention or what?

Please share something with us, what is the point of this thread if you have nothing other than a story to share meeting with the supposed "Bigwigs.

I have patiently been waiting for something about UFO's like many have.

Do you have anything about UFO's?

How about a nice story if you don't have evidence?

Thanks

p.s. What's with threatening about leaving ATS going behind everyone's back and smack talking on coast to coast? (Not cool IMO)

Also, I would imagine such an "advanced" UFO researcher would have a cell phone.

But then again probably not since you don't have a digital camera.

Never met a painter that didn't own a paint brush.

Now I have...I guess.

Look everyone needs to chill out... NOW.

So the guy doesn't have the money to buy a camera, so he's technologically ignorant, he IS interested and I believe he did get some government employees to talk to him, why is that so hard to believe?

A Sinclair, have you ever tried emailing or calling someone like Dr. Butler? You might be surprised at the reception you get, you sound like someone who simply accepts the myth that these guys are all elitists and in the dark side.

Your yelling and ranting is really showing how little you actually know about the people you are saying so much about mate.

uforeality, you REALLY need to get up to speed before you try presenting things like this here. ATS has nothing to do with the treatment your utter lack of preparation, tools or basic presentation skills garner you from our members. Threatening to slander ATS because of intelligent people's response to your "reporting" here is not a wise course.

Springer...

[edit on 6-24-2008 by Springer]

uforeality...i'm not sure if they have fedex/kinko's in your part of the country, but for a small price, you can use one of their professional scanners to scan the pic as a digital file.

thats one solution, so we can all take a gander at the reptoid pic.

I don't know if I should believe this story or not since the internet is the haven for telling stories...

but hey if it's true, best of luck to you in the future......................

Originally posted by el cid
uforeality...i'm not sure if they have fedex/kinko's in your part of the country, but for a small price, you can use one of their professional scanners to scan the pic as a digital file.

thats one solution, so we can all take a gander at the reptoid pic.

I'm pretty sure they have a FedEx/Kinkos in Atlanta. No wait. I'm positive. They'll even show you how to use it. Who'd of thunk it?

Originally posted by ufo reality
The way I felt was the guy's smirk was one of "this kid knows his [snip] but I'm not going to acknowledge it."

Just my gut feeling after staring back at him with a "don't [snip] with me look"

[edit on 24-6-2008 by elevatedone]

Maybe...

Or just maybe he was thinking: "I can't believe they are paying me to listen to this [snip] talking about reptoids and silicon UFOs for an hour ".

Just sayin'