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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 07:44 AM by saturnus1962

reply to post by fworkman

It's all about credibility..... Why is it so hard to believe? Because there is so little (no) prove! I don't think Ufo reality is a hoax on purpose. But he might be one without knowing it. See the simple facts;

Pieces of UFO's which could also be anything else; no prove, even the 1% unidentified could be explaind. No real shape to it to be able to identify as part of any vehicle. Just his words

No prove of the meeting really took place and even if id did, no conformation or conclusion (yet). So what was the end conclusion (and why did they let him leave). Why did they not take the objects? just his words

Talking about a document (MJ-12) which is looking not very authentic to say the least, and can be found on the internet, yet "they" are surprised to see (a copy!) of this document in his possesion?

He claim's to have a picture of a rep, but is not able to show us (could be taken a picture from as well, scanner not absolutely needed). So just his word that he holds possesion of it.

That is a lot to build a case on, in court the would call it circumstantial prove and the case would not hold.

I want to believe it all happened, really, but it is hard to without solid prove. That should be forgiven......

reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 07:46 AM by mortalengine

Originally posted by Freezer
reply to post by Element-115

Nice generalization of everyone, and I guess in saying that, it makes you feel smart or something. Not everyone has a debunker mindset, and assumes everyone is a lier. I believe the sickness lyes within those who choose to ridicule anything that seems usual, or out of the ordinary. Funny thing is this story doesn't have anything spectacular about it.. So a couple ranks wanted to see the artifact or whatever it was..Is that so insanely unbelievable? Is it so unbelievable that Boyd Bushman (senior scientist of Lockheed Martin) takes Bob Lazar's video about how the alien vehicle works, seriously? Well not only did he watch it, he recommends it to others.

Funny if I came out with what my grandpa saw, people would laugh and ridicule..He went his whole life without telling anyone except 2 family members because of the ridicule he would've faced. I wonder how many others haven't come forth to avoid this ignorance and degradation. I do applaud those who have..

I'm not saying believe or dont believe, but be careful of who you defend and who you fight. You are defending someone here because they are saying what you want to hear... A smart enemy does this very easily. Hence why the art of war will teach you to "know your enemy"

Perhaps you should hold your opinion and defense until you've actually seen all the evidence first. I'm not asking for proof necessarily and normally I wait for the poster to produce this at some stage. The issue I'm having here is that the OP has mentioned all the evidence he has without us asking for proof, yet he still has not posted it here, am I correct ?

If you had all the "paraphernalia" that he has, would you not have taken photos and copies of it by now ? - Surely this is easy enough to post, and being a true "UFO Researcher" as he claims, - is not your highest goal to inform the people around you ? You would think he would be more than eager to produce as much of this evidence as possible. Instead of witholding info and pictures of the artifacts he supposedly has.

This is what taints his credibility and claims.

J

reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 07:59 AM by reject

they met with the guy probably because they were expecting someone else. Maybe they thought you were the guy aliens said would be there to represent them (also probably an alien). Your timing was just coincidentally fortuitous.

reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 08:04 AM by saturnus1962

reply to post by reject

I think he is going to reject that!

reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 08:07 AM by Gazrok

Iw would seem obvious to me that Dr. Butler has some friends in said agencies, and set the meeting up, due to the poster's claim of having debris.

I fail to see why this assumption is far-fetched. As a Lockheed brat as a kid, I've certainly seen many "meetings" take place on the couch or at the dinner table, etc. that involved Air Force, CIA, Boeing, etc. personnel. Having a chat doesn't require an act of Congress, nor official business. And not all CIA are covert you know...there are many overt positions as well, such as analysts, etc.

As Springer said, these guys are human beings just like the rest of us, and it was obvious this was not an "official" meeting per se.

In addition, the poster has been very forthcoming in that nothing much really came of it, and has continued to answer questions (and attacks) very politely, so there is certainly no reason to claim falsehoods.

Believe it or don't believe it (there really isn't much to it either way here, as the poster admits).... It's not an "extraordinary" claim, so it doesn't really demand "extraordinary" evidence...

If you had all the "paraphernalia" that he has, would you not have taken photos and copies of it by now ? - Surely this is easy enough to post, and being a true "UFO Researcher" as he claims, - is not your highest goal to inform the people around you ? You would think he would be more than eager to produce as much of this evidence as possible. Instead of witholding info and pictures of the artifacts he supposedly has.

He HAS posted pics, there are in this thread! (they just don't look like much more than pieces of silicon...just google silicon, and go to wikipedia for a comparison) And the MJ-12 documents should be easy to find as well (just go to http:www.majesticdocuments.com ). The only thing missing is the reptoid pic, and scanners may not be as available as one might think (I know that neither my local cyber cafe', nor my local library has them available for use...internet? yes, scanners? no).

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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 08:08 AM by mikesingh

reply to post by ufo reality

So, ufo reality, what's the point in all this? What was your intention? What did you think you would achieve by this meeting? Disclosure?

I brought a packet of MJ-12 documents that I bought online a few years ago

Wow! So Top Secret documents are available on line? Nuff said!

My letter from Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney? So what's the big deal? Isn't he the same guy who shot some poor sod in the ass? Did the letter say he met with aliens? Or did it contain the outline plan of Alternative 3? Or was there anything earth-shattering in it? No. It was just a stock reply with a predetermined format sent to all and sundry who asked questions pertaining to UFOs. It was a lame reply that was of no consequence. As to why you thought it so important to take it with you is beyond comprehension.

Picture of a reptoid which was given to me, and a fragment from a UFO crash which was also given to me.

By who? And why to you? And what of Mr Reptoid? Where’s the CGI pic?

One older guy sitting next to me pointed at the MJ-12 packet and said "you know you've got something labeled top secret there and you're not supposed to have it...?"

Yeah right! But didn’t that bozo know that you bought that stuff on line? I thought he’d know that! If not, then how come he didn’t confiscate it right away and shove you into an interrogation cell for further questioning. I thought he knew the rules and regulations for handling Top Secret documents?

I tried to convince them that it would be best to disclose the truth to the public now.

Disclose the truth? What truth? By exhibiting some trashy ‘Top Secret’ documents that are freely available on the net at no extra cost? Some fragment (read silicon or obsidian rock) from a so called UFO crash that hasn’t been put through any testing and analysis in a lab? (If it was genuine, they wouldn’t have told you anyway!) A CGI pic of a spooky looking reptoid that’s making the rounds of the net since the age of the dinosaurs? So what’s new here?

One guy literally sat there and just stared at me with a smirk on his face for the full hour.

Obviously! He must’ve thought, “This guy thinks this is headline news! Darn! The crap we have to put up with! Time for lunch, what? When the dickens is he gonna stop?”

Now I’m not meaning to undermine the authenticity of your meeting with Dr Steve Butler. But the bottom line is – What was the aim of the exercise? I still don’t get it!

Cheers!

P.S. A strong riposte, but don’t take it to heart! Nothing personal!