Note to administrators :
There are ATS software problems seemingly occurring when I star posts. This made all links and pages so slow loading for me since my post on page 5 on
30.07 that I was unable to read the full next posts up till now. It was not a video-card failure; it has something to do with the use of the Firefox
browser and some software glitch in the ATS forum software. My anti-virus software also was absent after every restart, I had to start it manually,
before connecting to the Internet. Normally it automatically appears first, then the internet connection is made.
The problem seems to originate in the address line; when it ends with just the page number, no problem.
But when it ends, behind the page number, with the added starred post identification number, like this first one star (and the following ones) I gave
then all open Firefox windows become unworkable slow. I had this problem already a long time, especially when having multiple windows open.
I lost all my open windows with needed info when I finally decided to restart my box, except one, this one.
Normally Firefox will offer you all open windows again, after a cold start, however not this time.
Now this has become annoying to no end.
I had to restart my box multiple times and tried to restart the former Firefox sessions, and now the only solution I have is to cut off the browser
address line to the page number first, after starring a post, and then refresh the page again, to be able to work as fast as I am used to do, with
multiple windows opened to directly counter-argument my opponents when info from such pages is needed.
Now, before I have to go into dissecting Butz‘s posts after my last one on 30-07, we seem to have an unfinished job at hand, he first wants a
How much explosives would need to be set off in order to get the seismic activity that you claim? Do these calcs. It would be interesting to
see what you get and how you will explain away this inconvenient fact.
Let me show you, the skeptic reader of all of this, around in the windmills of your own mind.
If you're a 9/11 conspiracy skeptic, you will- and have to, believe in the official explanation of 9/11 by the mouthpieces of the officials.
One of these mouthpieces is the NIST.
They came to the conclusion, that one single column failure initiated a natural global collapse of WTC 7.
Let's further follow the NIST’s train of thoughts.
One column failed from fire, says NIST. And a natural global collapse followed.
That should result in a small amplitude seismic recording, followed with a massive amplitude seismic recording depicting the following global
In contradiction to such expected results, we see a massive amplitude seismic recording, followed by a less massive amplitude seismic recording for
the following global collapse.
What is, and has to be, your logical conclusion?
Remember, no one seems to understand the immense weight of this statement from a well-known, honest seismologist:
Even the smallest explosive charge going off
during the final demolition of the Oklahoma City Murrah building ruins clean-up gave a
more distinct seismic reading
than the WHOLE following total global collapse of the mass of the remaining ruins of the Murrah building, see
my former link in this thread, to my last post on page 11 from my NIST rebuttal thread.
Conclusion : some external energy event was introduced as a form of human intervention.
Thus we arrive at the calculations Butz wants to see so eagerly:
One column failure by HE is not difficult to calculate, since Butz found some info (without a link) for the amount needed to severe one core column
with a C-4 cutting charge:
Butz: A member did a calc and figured that it would take 17lbs(?) of LSC to cut each core column at the impact zone.
So, Butz, according to your own “research” and NIST’s conclusion, only an amount of approximately 17 lbs of LSC was needed to severe ONE similar
core column in WTC 7, and then a natural global collapse followed.
Anyone falling for that?
Demolition expert's calculations:
see his first post.
My calculations and pointing at the flaw in the expert’s calculations:
In this post, Source
the expert, ATS member Damocles, says he calculated
the amount of HE (high explosives) to cut ALL 47 core columns in one WTC tower,
Damocles: when I said I stand by my calculations to sever the core. I was referring back to the debate I had on this topic in which I
calculated 172lbs/floor for all 47 columns.
so we have to divide this amount of 172 lbs per WTC 1 or 2 floor by 47 columns to arrive at the amount needed to severe just one core column.
That’s a simple weight of 3.66 lbs to cut ONE of the WTC tower columns, which are comparable to ONE of the WTC 7 columns.
Butz, you placed the comma in the wrong place.
It wasn’t 17 lbs for one column, but 172 lbs for 47 columns.
And it wasn’t 3400 mps(fps?) but 2 km/sec during 34 km which is 17 sec for the WTC seismic signals to reach LDEO. I’ll address all your other
faulty assumptions HERE
and in your other posts later on. You should pay
much more attention to important details.
So now we have arrived at a, in an ATS debate defendable, 3.66 lbs of C4 to initiate the WTC 7 collapse
, all according to the combined efforts
of our local explosives expert; the NIST conclusion from their 5 year long, and multi million dollar value investigation; and another officially
endorsed, but seismic institution, the LDEO with a multi million dollar budget.
My budget was < $1,000 to tackle the problem.
THAT amount of C4 WILL NOT IMPRESS AN AUDIENCE in the open- let it be in a confined space in the center core of a top- or bottom floor in WTC 7.
The problem is, nobody seems to see the ridiculousness in this.
Especially not the US “voted-for” representatives, who keep holding up their already dirty hands, to enrich themselves from all the black money
paid by the Washington power brokers.
When will it ever dawn on you, the voters?
There’s no need for a bloody revolution.
Just identify the rotten apples, and surgically remove them.
In the end all crucial decision makers in banks, cooperation’s and army brass are just a few individuals.
That will work much more precise and saves millions of casualties.
Edit : two minor typos.
[edit on 3/8/08 by LaBTop]