Griff, may I offer you first some hilarious reading from the, by times, amusing vitriolic pen of Gordon Ross, who was born in Dundee, Scotland. He
holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University, in 1984. He can be contacted at
The first link you should read is his hit piece on the JREF forum alumni :
Sorry Dr. Greening et al. (This is btw not an apology. It is a description.)
The JREF forum, a scary Twilight Zone kind of place where some strange fictions pass for facts, takes the prize for the most ludicrous assertions
That will push your attention meter up some notches. Go ahead, start reading.
Then you should read the serious stuff in his making-fun-of parts regarding some JREF names:
David B. Benson, Mark Ferran, R. Mackey, and Dr. Greening.
After recovering from that LOL, we move on to the more scientifically based arguments, written by Gordon Ross.
A rebuttal of the simple analysis published by Bazant, and an even simpler one by Greening.
MOMENTUM TRANSFER ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF THE UPPER STOREYS OF WTC1.
Next, we move on to:
In this study I intend to show how the collapse of the towers was deliberately caused by the use of explosive and or incendiary devices placed at
identified points within the structure.
The demolition of the WTC towers was achieved using a four phase attack. These attacks weakened the tower structure, initiated the collapse,
progressed the collapse, and finally completed the collapse.
How the Towers were demolished.
Next, we read his two other pages:
Reply to NIST.
Now, I’ll quote some lines from Gordon’s papers, which quite precisely indicate the posting technique from Butz:
"You have quoted figures and unsubstantiated and questionable assertions without reference, without workings, without any detail of their
derivation or assumptions made and these are demonstrably false even within the confines of your own analysis."
I have two questions for Butz :
1. Just curious, are you Mark Roberts, the NY Tour guide, also posting on JREF? If not, are you a member there? What screen name do you use there. My
screen name is everywhere the same, also at JREF.
Otherwise I’ll ask BillyBob, he knows all of you and your style.
He can search JREF for your avatar number,
2. When are you going to produce that famous 2000 lbs phrase of mine, which I demanded you to do multiple times, but you keep ignoring it and falsely
using it in all the following replies to me.
You'll be forewarned, I have found the specific part already for days and bookmarked, and it is clear as hell, that you only wanted to read my lines
with the false prejudice I am now used from you.
If you don’t come up with that link to my phrase, I must consider that you are intentionally lying, to try to get some petty advantage in an online
debate, and try thus to influence the non-suspicious members here to come into your camp.
Deliberately lying is a ban-worthy offense of the playing rules on this forum.
So better apologize, after finding my 2000 lbs phrase, and reading it carefully.
After that, I will address all your other vagueness and unsubstantiated and questionable assertions without reference, whatsoever.
[edit on 5/8/08 by LaBTop]