Eyemagistus,

Those of us who were lucky enough to spend our formative years IN Oklahoma, wandered about at will and then returned when we wanted to, don't seem to have the same immobility problems you're suffering. Not sure if there's a connection at the formative years or what, but I don't see what's so difficult about the series...key in ignition, turn on, put in gear, drive until the zip code changes.

But I would like to say this - Oklahoma has a great heritage...one you seem to not quite understand. Oklahoma is not the pinnacle of the Indian holocaust, but where the survivors of that holocaust made their new home in spite of the repetitive lies and murderous acts of white folk who spent their formative years or remained war-mongering in OTHER states. And the historical record shows we have contributed more per capita to intellectual endeavors such as aeronautics, astronautics and things I'd be glad to take the time to school you on, but only after you've rid my state of your worthless malcontent.

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This is simply wonderful! More than that, it is absolutely correct and exactly what the states need to do! It is only because of the corrupt media that the Feds have gotten away with this for so long. There is no authority for the national parks, EPA,FBI, etc., etc.. States are absolutely not 2nd class citizens to the feds. The feds have limited powers and abuse them all.

I ran into my Rep. today and asked him about the resolution. He said it was in response to the Mexican Highway and it is a non binding resolution.

I get the impression that this resolution is more of a " we are watching you" kind of a deal.

To Eyemagistus, what Valhall said, plus don't leave mad, just leave and bless your heart.

Roper

Oklahoma is also one of the national leaders in elder abuse and near the bottom in health care. If I thought I could trust all you good okie Christians with my own mother, I could put her in a nursing home and go back to my own life, now that she has survived cancer.
But alas, I am not a Christian, so I told her not to worry. I will stay here and take care of her until the end. She could not survive another move anyways.

This place is a real paradise for you angry white men who need to blame everyone else for their problems. You guys should form your own tribe on some really sh#tty land no one else wants. Maybe you could get the same kind of "sovereignty" you gave the Indians.

You guys really crack me up -- Kill the messenger, ignore the message. Yeah, that'l work.

how the hell is this not making the news at ALL

I have a technical problem with a state issuing a decree out of the context of the U.S. Constitution. First I realize that there are many people in America that are immigrants, some maybe termed illegal aliens or simply border violators whatever, of the legal immigrants there are also folks from foreign countries here which are here on special purposes which requires them being certified by the other nation to be here in the form of a Visa they must always have in their possession and they do not have to have any special privileges or diplomatic immunity to be here as a few other do and of those a few are capable of handling firearms which they bring from their country. OK this means in essence that America through the orchestration of the Federal Government allowing these foreigners to be within the US and they are also required to have a US Visa if they leave for good reason and this is difficult to understand but some of these individuals have been incarcerated in prisons, technical issues become falsehoods if they are imprisoned without due course or without enough convicting evidence and this can cause their presence in America to lapse beyond the legal date which their country recognizes that their Visa is valid, (are you understanding that much so far), now if they needed to return to their own country where they have a relatives, a wife and children that love them they simply cannot do this or they will be locked up for a illegal Visa (it is this way with Chinese people if you do not understand their legal situation I suggest you study some prisoner records and find one fitting this situation, there is one in fact), OK so if then a Judge in America allows this individual to leave without proper notice he then will be arrested, but also if he does not return within a proper amount of time to America then the Feds can arrest him and he is returned to prison to finish the term regardless if he were guilty or not pending the outcome of the trial but if the date lapses in America that he does not return he never can be granted a Visa again upon return yet the Judge can only make it a valid certification, yet the court of previous session would have to have certified the individual as being in America legally without any reason to return to his or her country. The problem occurs with a state that declares itself sovereign of the U.S. Constitution thinking it is the Feds that are violating the laws within their state through the tenth amendment it will help them resolve the issue, it will not resolve the issue of a foreigner in the United States with a Visa from their country because a state has no jurisdiction to release a prisoner from a prison, only a Federal Judge can do that and the states are not empowering their own Federal Judges that operate on only a state level, it is a regional level like US Districts are encompassing not one but several states and the Federal Laws are compelling for all those states within a certain US District. A lower court has no authority to make a decision and must hand a case to a higher court and the decision cannot be certified if and when the date has lapsed beyond the authorized time span allowed by the other country not American States and not Oklahoma if it were sovereign then it would lose the right for any and all foreigners to travel through it, I mean they could not even land an airplane in that state without being within the Federal Guidelines set forth by their country and America. So this is a problem and Oklahoma needs to understand why the problem exists, it did not get created by either Oklahoma nor surrounding states, it does not get created by the Federal Government, it happens and it does not have to involve a prison or a prisoner cause a simple lapse of a date due to detainment causes a violation to occur not in America always as it occurs in a foreign nation. We have no legal authority to provide a criminal with a Visa to come to America. Problem not solved.

I have a technical problem with a state issuing a decree out of the context of the U.S. Constitution.

Really? I have a "technical problem" with a President who has used the Constitution and Bill of Rights as kindling and the Congress who fiddled as they burned:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government... " '...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Dealing with the United Nations itself instead of the Federal Government doing it via their computer services means two things for people in Oklahoma, more taxes to pay for more computer systems and secondly a new law leadership which orchestrates issues which the Federal Government once would have litigated before a sovereignty issue took place. This would then make the Federal Government computer system into a Proxy or vice versa of the Oklahoma computer system a proxy. Whichever one would have to depend on the other to make contact with the UN and I know for certain the Federal Government will not work that way for the UN. So on two fronts why should the US Senate allow one state to be isolated from the rest of the states on Federal matters that they feel the Feds cannot handle appropriately enough and really theres a docket problem coming from the Oklahoma court systems towards the District Courts and it ties the hand of the Fed Judges anyway by neglecting aspects of the laws which are not written to the Federal Government. It trys to play a Bingo Game with its own numbers. Visa laws are only one issue, there are many Federal issues and to nail which is the prune for the Oklahoma legislature making the madness of the issue of sovereignty from the tenth amendment goes a step to far.