United States Quits Human Rights Council, page 4
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reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 04:51 PM by infinite
reply to post by pavil



Algeria even criticised UK anti-terrorism policy and released a report about it to the UNHRC...

Algeria is the same nation that is reported to have torture chambers under their anti-terrorism policy and many citizens have spoken out about their experience. These were raised at the UNHRC, but Algeria ( who is on the panel ) declared the reports as false and propaganda

UNHRC sided with Algeria and not the United Kingdom.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 06:53 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by jsobecky




Saddam was our boy. We armed him, funded him, and politically aided him before we decided to call him a bully..The US has a long record of doing just that.

As for everything else, I agree, the UN is ineffectual. But the US DOES commit crimes against humanity, we can't ignore that either. By funding and arming secret wars, rebel groups, international terrorists. All of it. The CIA has their hands very dirty.

Several Guantanamo detainees have died because of torture practiced by the Army and the CIA.

I will agree that comparing Saddam to the US is just plain wrong. But we have to set an example. We can't keep finding excuses to not follow the law while expecting others to live up to them.


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reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 07:21 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by projectvxn




Originally posted by projectvxn
Saddam was our boy. We armed him, funded him, and politically aided him before we decided to call him a bully..The US has a long record of doing just that.


Yes, but nowhere near the record of the UK or the USSR, or older cultures like the Romans.



Originally posted by projectvxn
As for everything else, I agree, the UN is ineffectual. But the US DOES commit crimes against humanity, we can't ignore that either. By funding and arming secret wars, rebel groups, international terrorists. All of it. The CIA has their hands very dirty.


Once again, nowhere near the scale of Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Hitler, Mugabe, Rwanda, Papa Doc, Baby Doc, Castro, Stalin, Kim, Ahmadinejad, etc., etc., etc.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Several Guantanamo detainees have died because of torture practiced by the Army and the CIA.


Really? Several? Hadn't heard that. I have seen videos of al Qaeda murdering their captives, though.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 07:31 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by jsobecky



There are only documented cases, no video of the deaths themselves. There is also reports from former detainees that were held without charge as enemy combatants, even though most of these people were either at the wrong place, or journalists. Google this:


Al Jazeera Journalist freed from Guantanamo.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 05:40 AM by infinite
reply to post by jsobecky



I am sorry to agree with jsobecky, but dictators and undemocratic governments have walked all over the UN. UNHRC became an institution, which protected many of these undemocratic nations. Heck, the UNHRC and the UN itself supports these nations;

Morocco
Algeria
Mali
Niger
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Chad
Libya
Sudan
Somalia
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
The UAE
Oman
Iran
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Indonesia
Malaysia
North Korea
Cuba

What do they all have in common? These are nations that do not recongise or refuse to have diplomatic relations with a fellow UN member called Israel. The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is the only "nation" the United States does not recongise, which is not a UN member. Most of the nations - who do not recongise Israel - sit on the UNHRC council and use the body to launch investigation after investigation into Israel. Zimbabwe, Sudan, Saudi Arabia have never been investigated by the UNHRC.

Also, it is well documented about the UN sex scandels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and corruption that has gone on at the UN. So, the UN itself is far from perfect.

Blaming the United States and saying "the CIA is a lot worse" is ignoring the undemocratic and political bias of the UNHRC just because certain members cannot put conspiracy theories aside.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 08:54 AM by pavil
reply to post by grover




I noticed that you haven't answered my question of :

How exactly would you engage Sudan? A country that denies access to UNHRC missions and denies any Human Rights problems in Darfur?


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 08:56 AM by pavil
reply to post by manson_322



No actually manson, most genocidal fascist murders STAY on the UNHRC, take a look if you doubt me. Glad you had a chance to get your daily U.S. bashing in.



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reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 09:01 AM by grover
reply to post by pavil



I did answer you... I said to engage them continually. It doesn't matter how but basically keep the pressure up and not back down... in short be in their face about it.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 09:46 AM by johnsky
Originally posted by pavil
reply to
post by manson_322



No actually manson, most genocidal fascist murders STAY on the UNHRC, take a look if you doubt me. Glad you had a chance to get your daily U.S. bashing in.



Actually, it looks more to me like they could have stayed like the rest, but decided they were more important than the HRC, and walked as a "up yours"... which is a pretty common action to find in American International relations.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 01:16 PM by manson_322
reply to post by pavil



and USA is too resp for genocide and war crimes against humanity ..
USA is the bigger evil and those nations are lesser evil

so how about first we eliminate the bigger evil...
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