reply to post by pavil
I don't find it funny, that a supposed human rights council does little to promote human rights in certain countries, call me odd.
I meant I find your use of the word 'never' amusing. You know, like I said.
On whose watch have these crimes against humanity occurred? Ours. They should have be prevented/ stopped / minimized by action on the rest of
the World's part. That we collectively twiddled our thumbs while even more innocents died is indeed shameful.
Ours? They? Which is it? Are you attempting to assume responsibility that exists at a collective level on a personal level?
Not quite sure where you are getting that from. Are you contending that all countries are equal in their respect for human rights?
You almost have it. Moral relativists hold that no universal standard exists by which to assess an ethical proposition's truth. In other words there
is an equal moral obligation. It is not sufficient to say, 'Well this country killed more than me, ergo I am more moral'. Its an argument that 5
year old kids make in the school yard. Then they grow up.
No I would not care to rephrase that. That's almost part of the problem, being civil to those who's behavior is uncivilized. .. that.
Yeah, you are pretty clear that your response to meeting someone 'uncivilized' is not to elevate the discourse (its called leadership) but as I have
said to lower your discourse in a 'race to the bottom'. It would suggest that you understand the letter of civility, but not the spirit. I don't
really care for maintaining neutral language either but it is a cornerstone of these types of dialogue.
You would have thought after Rwanda and the Balkans we would have learned.......but no. The UN's inaction has caused many to perish in Darfur
that could have been saved. Shame on all of us for allowing that.
What, were you born in 2003? Where was your 'shame' for all the abuses before that? Assuming that you do feel shame and are not just assigining it
to me and the rest of the world, how is that working out for you? What sort of response is it engendering in you? Posting on ATS?
Is your concept that al-Bashir will login and read your post and be shamed? That the US Govt will read it and have an 'aha' moment then suddenly
invade Sudan?
I assume you are a human rights activist as defined as someone who does more than post on ATS about it. As one, you are engaged in something to change
things. Doesn't really matter what. The important thing is you are 'active'. Obviously what you are doing isn't stopping the genocide in Darfur.
Given that, it would seem depressing, frustrating, horrifying, angering, but again, there is no shame in failing. The only shame wold be being aware,
and failing to activate.
If your feelings of shame come from an attempt to hold yourself responsible for the collective world, I would suggest that you refocus on things you
are empowered to affect.
[edit on 11-6-2008 by wytworm]
