Europeans View America as a 'Force For Evil' Under Bush

Originally posted by alienstar
Oh well you cant make everyone happy.Whats done is done and it is what it is.Next president hopefully wont make horrible choices and he will learn from this big past mistake.

America will make it im certain, if my friends asked me for help id be there in a second, its not to late thins will change they have too, keep your heads up and when the time comes to voice your concerns grab it and dont let go until someone listens, America was born because of things like this right? so do it again, take what is yours.

Originally posted by azzllin
...... and even worse is we see people in Burma and Zimbabwe suffering so badly and he does nothing....

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If we did anything in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), there'd be people on this board complaining about us getting involved in someone elses business. And I don't think they'd want us there, after the screwing Carter gave them.

And remember, we did supply aid to Burma. It was turned away.

Originally posted by azzllin.....its even becoming apparent his admin is responsible for the world food shortage because of his stance on alternative bio fuels, the man gave permission to turn a main food source into fuel, how does that help food prices and availability?

I don't agree with turning our food into fuel, but WE are the ones behind the WORLD food shortage? I guess no one else grows crops, huh?

Originally posted by azzllin....America decided it was going to try and be a world police force and its backfired big time

Really? How come every time some country has problems, they scream to the US for help. Remember, you just got thru complaining the the US didn't do anything in Burma and Zimbabwe.

Originally posted by azzllin.....What America needs is a humanitarian president, someone who cares for America first, then the suffering of the rest of the world, but under the UN, thats what the UN is for.

So, the US is suppose to be there to help the world, but we're to "shut up and color" until you need to use us?

Originally posted by azzllin....its a sad thing when a little office jerk can over rule a doctor on the treatment Americans can have, health care should be free to all, with no exceptions, get rid of your insurance companies telling you how to live your life, or dont get treated, Medication should be free, or a small token payment made

Free health care? And what about the Doctor that just spent $100,000 or more on his education? He's not to be paid for that?? Or should he just get minimum wage like a fry clerk at Mickey D's?

And the drug companies that spend millions developing meds? Guess they don't get to make a profit, huh? Just replace our capitalism with socialism? Ain't gonna work. Google "Soviet Union"

Now, I do agree that the drug companies are charging high prices for meds, but they are entitled to make a profit. Sucks, but that's life. I just wear my helmet.

Originally posted by azzllin...and teach your Government that they work for the people, not the other way around....

Got that right.

What exactly is defined as evil? Have the Europeans actions in the past be defined as evil? What about the current events dealing with European involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq? Evil? Or just some narrow minded poll that asked this particular question.

It is a natural thing for us Europeans to begin having a negative sentiment towards the US. All this may change starting januari 2009 (although I have a strange feeling something rather unexpected may happen, and it might take some more time before you get your new president, its just a feeling not a theory ).

I don't know how well educated you guys (us-citizens) are when it comes to European history (when it comes to my knowledge of the american civil war, it reaches no further then a battle between south & north and some fight over slavery), but once there was a guy called Hitler, he was a screw-up, but became the most powerfull man on the world for a brief time in history, he did this with teaching hate to his people, learning them to hate jews because they had the money (and they did have the money). Now Hitler didn't exactly have the right answer to redistribute the jews money (they still have the money) and all germans were bad and all of Europe felt guilty, we were so happy when america came to save our souls.

// analogy

Once there was a guy called bush, he was a screw-up, buth he became the moste powerfull man on the world for a brief time in history, he did this by teaching fear to his people, learning them to fear terrorists, telling them terrorists were all around (they are all around). Now bush didn't exactly have the right answer to get the terrorists out of the way (they are still all around) and all us-citizens were bad (its not easy to be on the good side when the good side ends up bombing children & innocent civilians), worst of all the US-citizens elected Bush twice.

When I was as a teenager I always wanted to be an American, it was the dream of every kid being educated from 7 years on that the good Americans came to rescue us from the bad Nazis (when I was a kid I imagined all americans being Rambos killing every bad guy they met). Now when I'm 26 the Americans are the only country I know that invaded another country since Irak invaded Kuwait. I don't know why Irak invaded Kuwait way back then, but I doubt their reasons were worse then the US-reasons for invading Irak (are they still searching for those mass-destruct weaponary in Irak?).

litte note: I don't understand why the US troops didn't kill Sadam way back in the second gulf war, it couldn't have been that hard to kill him after all you guys have the best trained special forces of the whole world (also the best equiped ones)

second note: How is it possible that they cannot trace & kill Osama after nearly seven years? Or would killing Osama make Bush loose his control over the average, terrorist-fearing american.



It wasn't a smart thing for bush to say he is a war-president. I hope youre comming president will be a peace bringing president (but that would make some christians believe he is the antichrist, oh irony :p ).

I do not think it is fair of us Europeans to think of the US as an evil empire, it is just a misleaded empire & I hope it ends soon. I also realize I exagerated a bit (a lot :p), but sometimes exageration is needed to make a point.

(sry for my English, I try my best)

Originally posted by paul76
I'm afraid this poll is correct. Most people I know despise the USA. Some of the more knowledgeable people only despise the Administration, others despise the whole country for the actions of your Government.

The only special relationship between Britain and the USA is strictly between the Governments and the corporates. The majority of British people are fed up with Britain being Americas puppet.

Bush really has made your country hated. Some of you probably don't care, some of you do, but I'm just saying how it is.

England is also despised to a lesser extent by the rest of Europe, so I know how it feels.

Thanks for laying that out realistically!

A lot of Americans don't care, it's true. I'm not sure most would come out and say that unless they were in a crowd, or on a TV show, or somehow complying with a social expectation.

What you are seeing is an image of America, please remember that my potential friend. Please accept, as a possibility, that it is NOT we who are arrogant, it is we who are called arrogant, or gaudy, or over bearing, or conceited, or plain stupid. Most of us are exactly like you. Exactly.

I would like to think that most Americans, when questioned in a civilized setting, would tell you, and that we are aware that something is 'amiss' in the national character these days, a noticeable gravitation to a 'lower' human standard, something we were certainly led to believe could never happen 'In America'. We do know of the general antipathy with which we, as a people, are regarded. And I suspect we would rather it not be so.

We suffer from the same media-blasted, commercialized garbage you do, ten-fold. Many Americans DON'T KNOW that anything is wrong at the top, middle, or bottom! They are absolutely distracted, or convinced that what they are being told by the establishment, system, government, or whatever, is actually the unbiased truth. So they persist in not even examining it, let alone question or challenge it.

Tell your friends to cut us some slack, we're having a bad decade.

So true..we are only told by our government on what they think we want to hear.Not what actually makes sensible truth.

As stated, Britain is in no position to judge the USA. We're just as bad, or should I say, our Government and politicians are as bad as any in America.

We the people of both countries are hated for our Governments actions. As I stated earlier, Europe feels the same way towards Britain, or should I say England, even the Scottish and Welsh hate us That's nothing new though! Old habits die hard.

Who gives a crap what they think?
Why should I care? It's not like they are looking out for our best interests.
Perhaps they should take care of their own problems.

Besides, it's only words. Whoever in the EU thinks the U.S. is evil, I think they are Euro Trash. No harm done.

[edit on 6-6-2008 by WhatTheory]

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Who gives a crap what they think?

Why should I care? It's not like they are looking out for our best interests.
Perhaps they should take care of their own problems.

Besides, it's only words. Whoever in the EU thinks the U.S. is evil, I think they are Euro Trash. No harm done.

[edit on 6-6-2008 by WhatTheory]

You know, if I was hated for my own actions towards others, then I'd agree with you, but what I don't like is being hated for my Government actions.

"NOT IN MY NAME" is the quote I remember from the old Anti-Iraq protests.

Think about it and not to sound harsh,but where would the world be without the united states interactions?Or without our advancements and developments in all areas of technology?

Originally posted by alienstar
Think about it and not to sound harsh,but where would the world be without the united states interactions?Or without our advancements and developments in all areas of technology?

Well I'd probably be a couple stone lighter Bloody Kfc, BurgerKing and McDonald's! On a serious note though, you're correct. Many wonderful things have come out of the USA. The world has a lot to thankyou for, there's no doubt about that.

I don't think their is any lasting damage if I'm being honest. If Bush goes and the USA take a more measured response than I see no reason for attitudes to change quickly. However If the USA and Britain go into Iran, then I really fear for the future of our kids.

Europeans will look upon the US as a force for good when they need something....

I think 'evil' is a bit extreme, more 'misguided'.

I personally see Americans as being our "brothers and sisters" and feel we have far, far more in common with the US than the rest of Europe. I would hope that the U.K and U.S will become closer allies after Bush leaves office.

Originally posted by paul76
You know, if I was hated for my own actions towards others, then I'd agree with you, but what I don't like is being hated for my Government actions.

Believe me, I understand what you are saying. I guess I just view things a little differently. I view it more like family. Your children, mother or father might do something you don't agree with or do something horrible but you will defend or shield them from outside attacks. Internally, within the family, you can try and help them, change them and even give them a strong tongue lashing but anyone who is not family better 'step-back' and mind their own business. You do this because you know they are good and has done lots of awesome deeds in the past.

reply to post by azzllin


Agree with alot of things you said; When we have had enough our voice will be heard. Just hope it wont be too late

France forgets how a marshall plan was used to rebuild their country after WW2 and who saved their ass also. They forget that they also had a military blunder in a country in Africa that was very similar to Iraq but they do not pay attention to that and how they definitely had no right to go there.

Germany forgets how after world war 2 many people in Britain and France were extremely bitter and if it was not for America influencing other world leaders that they would have been screwed.

Britain forgets who saved their butt from utter destruction.

I mean jeez, these people need to really get their heads straight, I mean these people are really shallow, "OMG OMG 8 YEARS OUT OF OVER 200 WHERE THIS COUNTRY HAS SAVED UP FROM COMPLETE DESTRUCTION AND BECAUSE THEY MAKE A MISTAKE AFTER BEING ATTACKED WE ARE GOING TO HATE THEIR PEOPLE WHO GOT THE WRONG INFO FROM THEIR PRESIDENT!!" ...

Poll results that show a negative view of an entire country and not just its leadership isn't unique. I don't think there's been a point in history where the citizenry of a country have been left out the blame for a particular country's actions. This stems from the opinion that a country's leaders could not act without the cooperation of their citizenry. I find that to be true no matter what type of government it is.

IMO the citizenry of a country could theoretically stop their governments from doing what they were doing by non-compliance or force. I do understand that people usually would rather not get involved to avoid facing the wrath of their governments, but there is always the opportunity even if its not a particularly favorable option. Non-action is an action and thats how most people see it.

[edit on 6-6-2008 by Frith]

gee...too bad i dont give a damm what europeans think and neither did the great George Patton.

I'm really not convinced that the conception of U.S. Domestic and Foreign Policy takes place in Washington D.C.
The U.S. Executive Branch now has plenipotentiary powers, through the Patriot Act and various Exective Orders, that have been put in place by various Administrations throughout the last few decades.
Presidents do not make Policy, Presidents carry out Policy, imo. The same Policy, whether they know it or not, that our European and British friends, being inter-connected economic/military allies, also live under. The U.S. is utilized in order to maximize the benefits of its most valuable features; Military Strength/Technology, Tax/Debt Base, and Financial Power (seemingly in decline), plus a Media Cartel that is very effective in keeping many Americans in the dark.
Do any of our European and British friends really believe their 'elected' Prime Ministers, Chancellors, or Presidents do anything but what they're told...?

I'd like to think that there will be some difference after Bush leaves Office, I'd like to, but I don't.

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I don't like the current state of the US, but have these Europeans forgotten that the US saved Europe (well England at least) from Hitler. If it weren't for the US, the English might be speaking German . OK so this is not the greatest example, but I am not sure why Americans have been classified as forces for evil simply because of a bad president and his teammates.