Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Wonderful...So now, because of a handfull of megalomaniacal tyrants running roughshod over our nation and doing whatever they damn well please despite our objections, we're GROUPED IN with them as a "force of evil"?

Kinda sucks being painted with a broad brush, doesn't it? Sort of like how some people here paint the US Military.

Kinda how some people paint the Iranians.
Kinda how some people paint muslims.

etc. etc.

Originally posted by Baxtoriafall
France forgets how a marshall plan was used to rebuild their country after WW2 and who saved their ass also. They forget that they also had a military blunder in a country in Africa that was very similar to Iraq but they do not pay attention to that and how they definitely had no right to go there.

Germany forgets how after world war 2 many people in Britain and France were extremely bitter and if it was not for America influencing other world leaders that they would have been screwed.

Britain forgets who saved their butt from utter destruction.

I mean jeez, these people need to really get their heads straight, I mean these people are really shallow, "OMG OMG 8 YEARS OUT OF OVER 200 WHERE THIS COUNTRY HAS SAVED UP FROM COMPLETE DESTRUCTION AND BECAUSE THEY MAKE A MISTAKE AFTER BEING ATTACKED WE ARE GOING TO HATE THEIR PEOPLE WHO GOT THE WRONG INFO FROM THEIR PRESIDENT!!" ...

When are you going to realize the people saying this weren't around when WWII happened, so how can they relate?

Fellow Americans this message is nothing to be offended by but should be looked at like an area for improvement.
They only reason our country is awful is because we allow control freak leaders to control anything and everything they want and we let money corrupt EVERYTHING that is near and dear to us.

Originally posted by Baxtoriafall
Britain forgets who saved their butt from utter destruction.

Another day, another history lesson....

We saved ourselves. Please read up on Operation Sealion and The Battle of Britain and then check the date that the US entered the war. By the looks of it you will be suprised.

As for the poll, I'm not sure people see the US as a "force for evil". I think people see the current Bush administration as one. Why? Because Bush attacked a soveriegn nation without provocation (the world understood Afghanistan, it did not understand the Iraq invasion), and at that moment the USA fell off its pedestal of being something that people aspired to and turned into the same as everyone else.

Everybody I know separates Americans from the government. Ive even been to the US, and once getting though the gestapo airport control system alive, I have nothing bad to say about Americans. In fact, quite the contrary. Very helpful, nice people and not as superficial like the TV shows would have you believe.

So I wouldnt worry. Once Bush is out of the way, most people should be able to count you as the good guys again if you stop invading and bombing people all over the world.

You have to understand that its part of the plan to get the US hated. That way, your president can point his finger at the world and say "look how they hate us" when we really are hating them, not you.

Having wars all over the world is perfect to distract Americans from the fact that you are being dumbed down enough to actually buy the crap they want you to believe about the world. It amazes me to see people leave their family and go off to fight in meaningless wars. I guess its because you are led to believe they are not meaningless.



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Originally posted by CopernicusYou have to understand that its part of the plan to get the US hated.[edit on 7-6-2008 by Copernicus]

Yeah, and as we speak #loads of muslims are out there on message-boards pretending to be patriotic Americans hating Bush.

Some of them have even created thier own 9/11 conspiracy sites.

Electronic Jihaad

Once Bush is out of the way, most people should be able to count you as the good guys again

Sorry, it ain't gonna work that way!
When GWB leaves the office another one comes in, new guy (or gal) to hate.

The muslims threw out the bate, and you guys took it big time.

(And this is just the start)

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective


Wonderful...So now, because of a handfull of megalomaniacal tyrants running roughshod over our nation and doing whatever they damn well please despite our objections, we're GROUPED IN with them as a "force of evil"? Do any of these folks have any idea the percentage of opposition the masses here have against this admin's out of control war-mongering and profiteering? Very few people support these policies. But unfortunately, they don't give a crap. They totally ignore the populace as insignifigant peons and do as they please...

And now we're ALL being demonized because of it.

I would just like to comment on this remark. The article states that the US is considered a force of evil by some Europeans, you cannot conclude from this statement that Europeans think of Americans in general as evildoers.

When determining whether a country is a force for good or evil in the world people will look toward that country's foreign policies and military actions I'd say. As the general population in America is in control of neither of them, I assume the voters in this poll had the Bush administration in mind and not your average Joes.

That being said, the results are hardly surprising when considering Europe's media. I can't remember the last time I heard the word 'peace' or anything else slightly positive mentioned during an item on the US' foreign involvement. The only thing coming close lately must've been Bush's Middle East trip where he tried to negotiate a truce between Israel and the Palestinians. Even then commentators where quick to point out how futile it was and how Bush was only trying to score some brownie points for the history books.

It would be unfair to blame all the people of the USA , but on the other hand, drawing the line at just the government does not really represent a true picture either . It is the governement and around 30% of the US population that could be described as a force for evil . This 30% being probably the most wretched evil loathsome people to live on this planet .

Well Bush is coming in Slovenia tomorrow until Monday. Civil iniciative is organising huge protests. I also work with Amnesty International and there will be protests at american embassy.

Lots of people is putting pressure on our own government to have debate on human rights and Guantanamo. Not that even if they talk about it with Bush. He will pay any attention.

USA is certainly not popular mostly because of War in Iraq, human rights violations and because it is forcing other countries to become police states as tUSA are. Most of people think that USA wants to be world policeman but everyone knows that USA failed. While USA lost it's credibility, new forces are on rise.

I personally think that EU should make bigger steps to be less dependent on USA. There are few steps in progress but well we should act sooner. World is changing fast.

I do find it awful that countries are viewd by their governments but at the end of the day thats what governments are for not only to run the county but to represent our country to the world. I hate the fact that gordon brown the worthless lowlife that he is who steals his place as prime minister represents England.

That being said, I knew a hell of alot of people who hated America long before Bush, its not a new thing guys just because of him, granted things do seem to have escalated a bit.

Its purely down to cultural differences I think. I know there are 300 million of you and therefore I have only met a handful of americans but the ones I have met outside of America appear extremely arrogant and just had a general condescending attitude towards us. We hung out with the American exchange students alot when we met them this year at university but after a couple of months we jut stopped because we were getting tired of it all. I should point out there were 40 excahnge students from all over America so they were not just from a tiny area or anything.

I'm going to write what I always write now at the end of this sort of post,

Please do not think I am bashing the US as I am not i'm clearly pointing out my personal experiences of Americans outside of America. When I have visited the country everyone has always been really nice.

Granted that was over ten years ago now when I was 13 and we were in Disney world so my view might be a little skewed

Peace out!

It's anti-Bushism, not anti-Antiamericanism.

Im gonna laugh when the next guy starts his campaign in office in the wrong direction with another war or something stupid... its just bound to happen, it seems that government is ran by the higher ups and the president is just forced to follow a set of guidelines and be the icon for the countries moves...

Too right Europeans have a pretty low opinion of the current aggressive america policy. How could we not.
But it goes deeper than that.
This is not really directly about Joe Smoe american citizen, but he/she is implicated through their apathy, in much the same way that ordinary german folk were resented when Hitlers doings were revealed, and remember because of modern technology society can get most of the information in a matter of minutes, and react to it, and unlike the German people in the thirties and forties the American people have enough information and evidence to suggest that the time has come to rise up and speak out against those who speak who speak for them, but Americans choose not to, repeatedly. The opposition(Dems) choose not to speak out. What does this say to the rest of the world, honestly.
It says ***k You. We will do as we please.
That is why I hate what America is at present.

Please let a change come soon, we ALL need it.

Sorry to answer anonymously but I'm away from my own computer and p/w.
My username is Willywagga, just so you'll know.

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"Free health care? And what about the Doctor that just spent $100,000 or more on his education? He's not to be paid for that?? Or should he just get minimum wage like a fry clerk at Mickey D's?"


Well, here in Norway, in one year, you only have to pay up to $300 for healtcare and medisines your self, anything over that the goverment pays for. You dont need any insurance or anything, its a birthright to get healthcare.

And it is true, alot of europeans thinks of america as a place of ignorance and that they are in a way living in their own reality over there. Thers surtanly not alot of people who support the president.
Hopefully there will be change soon.

Sorry about the bad spelling

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