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Originally posted by Ragnarok691
This wackjob will start a war if he isn't overthrown first. There is alot of unrest in Iran over this guy. He killed and threatened his way into office and that kind of leader does not always last long. He is ordering his army, navy and air forces to provoke american forces. If you watch these videos such as the boats released by the DOD and simply put 2 and 2 together, he wants us to start the war. If we take the first shot then he can lob his missiles at isreal and the forces in Iraq. Sure we can bomb back but any land invasion would be next to impossible.
Originally posted by Curio
Excuse me if this has been answered already - I got bored of reading the usual back and forth after Page 5...
I notice Ahmadinejad said "...[Israel] is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene"
Now, is this just a bad translation? Because "erased from the geographical scene" is a whole different ball game to "erased from the pages of time" or whatever else he may have said in the past. This quite clearly means moved or destroyed to me.
If any other world leader said that another country would be erased geographically, wouldn't that set alarm bells ringing? Or is this OK because Ahmadinejad is just constantly misunderstood and misquoted?
Saddam had the 4th largest military on the planet at the time of the first gulf war. Iraq and Iran had been torturing each other for years and had seasoned armies. The Soviets were largely responsible for modernization, if you'll call it that, of the ME. Both Iran and Iraq had horrible weapons systems. Nerve gas and big guns, etc.
Originally posted by djerwulfe
reply to post by Conspiracy Realist
I don't disagree with your comments about my statement. In our bubble, what you're saying would seem rational and certainly humane, but these things are about to fly right out the window, I'm afraid.
But you might not be taking into consideration a number of things.
Saddam had the 4th largest military on the planet at the time of the first gulf war. Iraq and Iran had been torturing each other for years and had seasoned armies. The Soviets were largely responsible for modernization, if you'll call it that, of the ME. Both Iran and Iraq had horrible weapons systems. Nerve gas and big guns, etc.
I saw a piece of film footage of the Iranians marching mobs of little kids with AK's at gun point to attack Iraqi positions. They were mowed down in heaps. But they kept sticking young children out front. (CBS news '82 or '83)
The amount of human sufferring was ongoing and ubiquitous.
I can't even go into all of it, but there's no comparison.
I saw lots of pro-Bush and anti-Bush propaganda in the last election. We can ridicule him to our heart's content. Never that way with Saddam. He was a dictator.
You should study the Iran-Iraq War. It really reveals where these people are and where they've been.
I HAD high hopes for Iran, but they have their own Bush-like elements and my hope fades.
The types of "torture" in Cuba are nothing compared to the Baathist methods.
The comparison between Bush and Saddam isn't fair. Certainly Bush is responsible in many ways for many deaths, but every soldier is. Yes, there shouldn't be armies, but there are.
Originally posted by Pleiadian-dan
reply to post by RiotComing
to the OP AND OTHERS,
although your fears or views about the isreal iran situation (prpogated by the u.s) are understandable and right, we must remember that many if not all quates and speeches from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have been seriously mis quated and the publics misled for example the wiping of isreal off the map was actually a mis quote disseminated in the media his actual words where direxted at the regime, so any quote regarding the iranian president should throughly reserched and sourced as we all no the western media monopoly has a strangled hold and propagates war with iran, isreal is the place of evil and unrest genocide of th palastines. this is the country and regime we should be toppling in this bogus war on terror not iran.
the war on terror should be directed at americe the puppeters of a faxe global war and biggest terrorist on our earth,
many thnks
Pleiadian-dan
Originally posted by USMC-oorah
You should be grateful it's not you! If there wasn't people to fight wars. War would be fought with people who didn't want to fight them!
It's the world we live in my friend.
Drafts, national service, all the good stuff. Are you not glad that there is someone esle doing it ? I'm no murderer either my friend.
Originally posted by Conspiracy Realist
Exactly!
I wrote about a couple of pages back where it went un-noticed.
Here it is again.
Originally posted by Curio
... but Ahmadinajad? Oh, the poor boy is just misunderstood and misquoted. Give me a break
Originally posted by Curio
Originally posted by Conspiracy Realist
Exactly!
I wrote about a couple of pages back where it went un-noticed.
Here it is again.
So, as I asked above, was he misinterpreted when he said recently said that Israel would soon be "erased geographically"?
You can blame it all on propaganda, but Ahmadinajad knows very well (as do most of us) that what he says is a veiled threat. No matter how you dress it up, the guy is still basically talking about his desire to see a race of people removed...."geographically"....."from the pages of time"....whatever, I'm sure we all have the brains to read between the lines
Can we please stop defending this maniac? It amazes me how Bush & Co are pure evil and you can't trust a word they say (which is absolutely true) but Ahmadinajad? Oh, the poor boy is just misunderstood and misquoted. Give me a break
Originally posted by poet1b
Unless his quote of the Ayatollah was followed by a reversal of that stance, it is as good as Ahmadegad saying that Israel should be eliminated. How hard is that to grasp, or how foolish do you think we are?