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Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear

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posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 08:49 PM
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The land is said to be a curse to who ever tries to harvest there and once it's given to non Jews it turns to dust and it still does because no one can grow from it. They gave some land to the Palastinians and they could not cultivate and grow anything. It has been like that everytime someone tried to take over that land so they end up leaving in the end. Just a thought and a contribution of knowledge here, up to you what you think.




posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Irans threats are very alarming, and seeing that this isnt his first threat, or the last, I think its silly to think that he isnt planning something to back up his threats. not only has he threatened the "regime" but he has also threatened to blow israel off the face of the map in one big storm..what other kind of storm would remove a whole country besides a nucleur weapon?? I really think something needs to be done, and he needs to not be the president anymore. and I really dont think whoever our next president is will be able to fix the problem we have created. He has is mind set on his apocolyptic view and he claims this will all happen before he dies..and he is over 50 years old. Just a little worrisome.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Irans threats are very alarming, and seeing that this isnt his first threat, or the last, I think its silly to think that he isnt planning something to back up his threats. not only has he threatened the "regime" but he has also threatened to blow israel off the face of the map in one big storm..what other kind of storm would remove a whole country besides a nucleur weapon?? I really think something needs to be done, and he needs to not be the president anymore. and I really dont think whoever our next president is will be able to fix the problem we have created. He has is mind set on his apocolyptic view and he claims this will all happen before he dies..and he is over 50 years old. Just a little worrisome.


As i have said in a previous post on page 5 - You must have missed it.

Im very curious to find the video of the Iranian President speaking in his native tongue to gain more insight to see what he actually said. (Re the topic)

Why i say this is because the media often at times takes certain sentences out of context. They over exaggerate or try to change the words to fit there own agenda.

All across the world, a dangerous rumor had spread that could have catastrophic implications - World War III. According to the corrupt world of the media, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel on more than one occassion or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". We all remember that statement as it was played day in and day out. Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following will prove.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Khomeini was a Iranian Leader in the 1970's for the Iranian Revolution.

We are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

The mistranslated "wiped off the map" quote attributed to Iran's President has been spread worldwide, repeated thousands of times in international media, and prompted the denouncements of numerous world leaders. Virtually every major and minor media outlet has published or broadcast this false statement to the masses. Big news agencies such as The Associated Press and Reuters refer to the misquote, literally, on an almost daily basis to further push the governments agenda of going into war with Iran.

Following news of Iran's remark, as usual condemnation was swift and not surprising at all.

This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal US invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the Bush administration and the corrupt corporate media continue to marinate the propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor - Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel which has been proven to be very misleading and not accurate. Given its scope and potentially disastrous outcome, all this amounts to what is arguably the RUMOUR of the century.

Peace

CR



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by US Monitor
I suggest you read the link I provided to get a clearer understanding of how things went down. The Brits were there, but walked away before Israel became a Nation once again.


They didn't exactly just walk away though... Some would argue they got chased out. A lot of people remember that the term terrorist was coined by the fleeing Brits to describe the actions of a nefarious group of Zionists. The leader of that gang later became the first Israeli Prime Minister.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 11:06 PM
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www.albawaba.com...


According to IRNA, he made the comments while addressing a group of foreign guests taking part in the ceremony commemorating 19th anniversary of the late Imam Khomeini's demise.



As to the Israel, the Iranian leader said the "criminal regime" which has been plundering the wealth of the oppressed Palestinian nation and has been murdering innocent people in the past 60 years, "has reached its end and will disappear from the scene".


Disappear how?

Meanwhile Iran continues to sabotage any hope for peace between Israel and Palestine

www.albawaba.com...

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Tuesday told the visiting political chief of Hamas to keep up the resistance against Israel, warning that abandoning the struggle would lead to disgrace.



"It is evident today that the Zionist regime is at its lowest ebb and is unable to resist the patient Palestinian people," Khamenei was quoted by state radio as telling Meshaal. "Thank God the Palestinian people have stood like a mountain despite the disaster. The only way to the liberation of Palestine is to resist faithfully. "The ones who choose a path that is not one of resistance will pay a price and be disgraced in the eyes of God," he added, according to AFP.


Fits right in with there warlike statements against Israel.

Here's hoping that the people of Iran are able to throw off the despair of having an Islamofacist Govt. trying to run them into a war that will see there destruction. Hopefully they will bring about regime change before it is too late.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 11:29 PM
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I did not see this mentioned but I doubt Iran would use a nuke on Israel in the first place as the Dome of the Rock en.wikipedia.org... is on that soil. This makes the whole Iran attacking Israel thing even less likely to be true.



posted on Jun, 3 2008 @ 11:52 PM
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What about the desctrucion of the U.S?

There is economic crisis within the U.S yet they spend billions if not trillions of dollars of BORROWED money to fund a war that is based on lies (iraq) yet are considering if not planning an attack on Iran. Why? Because the current administration claim Iran is harboring or making a nuclear weapon. As stated in a few posts up there is absolutely NO evidence and NO proof that Iran is making or harboring Nuclear weapons.

These are the same claims that bought about the Iraq war now they, the US Government with the aid of Israel, are spewing out false allegations yet again to justify to the world and the American public in support of another war based on lies.

Peace

CR



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by dave420
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He's not saying anything about destroying the physical entity that is Israel, just that the Israeli regime will be toppled. The whole "He wants to blow up Israel" myth is just that - a myth. He's not stated that, the source of it being a bad translation that has been cleared up many times, but not covered in the media as much as it should (or at all).

And lots of folks around the world have serious problems with Israel, mainly lots of human rights groups. And with good reason.

And the US for that matter. The US does not torture people "on it's soil".......instead it "renders" them on planes and "interrogates" them in Cuba!

What I find amazing about Ahmadinejad's statement is what he he is actually inferring which is identical to the conspiracies here on ATS. Namely : a US led evil world order with a zionist axis in Isreal. Jesus Christ folks that is exactly what the NWO conspiracies are all about!

So anyone who believes in the NWO must agree with Ahmadinejad's statement. The language is a little more embellished but that is all.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 03:17 AM
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Look at the obvious simple explanation people

Ahmadinejad start making all this tough talk beating the drums of war as the U.S. is getting ready to choose our next leader for the next four, or perhaps eight years. We can choose someone who wants to end the war or someone who wants to continue the war, so why is Ahmadinejad stirring up trouble now when it will only most likely lead to the U.S. choosing a president who will defend our nation against his agression the strongest. The bad guys of the world are all in this together.

The U.S. involvement in overseas military actions is supposed to be to spread the American way of life and all the advantages of our culture. Why should we sit by while brutal oppressive regimes all around the third world control most of the planet. Why shouldn't we get involved to free the people of the oppressed third world nations from their oppressors? Isn't this the concept behind the military activities of the U.S. around the globe? Unfortunately, the people our military winds up representing are the people of the U.S., truth, justice, honor and all that, but International
Corporations who only want to put people in power that will help our IC's take advanatage of, supress, and enslave the people of the third world. Our tax dollars wind up going to the bad guys, and are used to export our jobs to slave labor states.

As far as all this who started what nonsense, this has been going on for a thousand years. When the Muslim world could compete with Europe militarily, they were agressively attacking the West. For the last five hundred year, the Muslim world dared not to attack the West, except for terrorist incidences in the last fifty years, because western technology gave us far superior military might.

A thousand years ago, Muslims conquered the holy land, now we have taken it back. The Muslim world doesn't like it, too bad, it was not yours to begin with. In addition, most people hear about the barbaric laws practiced in Muslim nations, and we look at the Muslim world as barbaric. In addition, Muslims in Europe are creating all kinds of problems, and these honor killings are being carried out at a far higher rate than serial killing and campus rampages here in the U.S. that we loudly condemn, while the Muslim world denies these honor killings. Once again, the Muslim world looks barbaric.

The West will always be far ahead in technology. The Muslim religion by it's very nature, stunts the development of technology. As long as the Islam has a hold on the Middle East, that region will always be backwards in technology. The only countries outside of Western Europe, the U.S., and Canada, who have developed into first world economies are Japan and S. Korea, who have adopted to western culture and ways. Technology in the West will continue to outstrip the rest of the world, and in another twenty years, our weapons technology will be so far more advanced, that we will be able to go in and out of anywhere in the third world with very little chance of taking on casualties.

The only threat the Muslim world poses to the West is through immigration. By controlling birth rates through the enslavement of their women, the Muslims would like to take over Europe through a population race. Europe needs to take steps to protect themselves from this type of aggression, or it will succeed.

All of this plays into the hands of the IC's and the WTO, and the NWO crowd. Luckily, all those people don't trust each other, because they are all a bunch of coniving, back stabbing, opportunists. They only cooperate to fight against the people who stand up for freedom in this world. Their problem is that they are like a community of cannibals. You never know when your nieghbor is going to try and throw you or a member of your family into the pot.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
"The United States is committed to the security of Israel and to
maintaining the qualitative edge that is critical to Israel's security."


Although the word "force" is not conveyed in the doctrine, the word commited is. I would deduce it a trembling situation to break a commitment given in a doctrine of oath to a nation of alliance. Thus, although the word "force" is not put to use as a legit term, I would discover it to be almost parallel to be forced by truth, logic, and virtue of one country's honesty and diplomatic marriage to another to uphold this commitment as long as its doctrine should be legitimate and not discarded.

Force, although not specifically used, is not far off the mark and politically equivalent to commitment in such a scenerio. There would be treacherous draw-backs and repercussions if such an oath, once taken and vowed so strongly and intently, was seen to be met with sub-standard efficacy or abandoned altogether without international contemplation, consideration and bi-lateral summations through public discourse of the governments involved and therefore not pre-emptively agreed upon before termination of the promises presented in such an article.

[edit on 4-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

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[edit on 4-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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My god man! (?) The inefficiency of your prose... but anyway, absolutley correct. We have an obligation to the Israelis,.

...not to mention, this type of threatening rhetoric is getting old. At least to me.

Also, while the Iraq war may be unpopular, there are concrete reasons for it. Saddam sucked. The Baathists blow. The West is trying to completely eliminate radical Islam. That's no secret and rather than wait for it to come to the West, we've taken the fight to them. I'm grateful. I don't want to have to kill my wife for her violations of Islamic law. I love her and respect her.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by djerwulfe
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My god man! (?) The inefficiency of your prose... but anyway, absolutley correct. We have an obligation to the Israelis,.

...not to mention, this type of threatening rhetoric is getting old. At least to me.

Also, while the Iraq war may be unpopular, there are concrete reasons for it. Saddam sucked. The Baathists blow. The West is trying to completely eliminate radical Islam. That's no secret and rather than wait for it to come to the West, we've taken the fight to them. I'm grateful. I don't want to have to kill my wife for her violations of Islamic law. I love her and respect her.


Of course Iraq's religious views and there treatment of woman are wrong and despicable but that is there custom. I do disagree with there customs alot. Sadaam was indeed an evil man. What distinguishes him from Bush? In my opinion... NOTHING.

Bush and his war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq has kill more innocent people that Saddam has killed in a lifetime in power. The stats are shocking. 50-100 innocent people you could argue that point as collateral damage but hundreds of thousands of innocent lives? You got to be kidding right.......

How about the senseless torture of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? No different from Sadaam torturing people.

The issue here is that the Iraq war was fabricated with lies in order to achieve its goal of invading a nation that never threatened the U.S, a nation that never attacked the U.S yet we invaded because of the Bush Administration claimed Sadaam had something to do with 9/11 and when this was discovered to be untrue they made up another well orchestrated lie...weapons of mass destruction. We all know this was a lie due to the fact that the Government and Bush himself admitted that there were no weapons of mass destruction. But it was too late the American people and the world bought into the lies and this was achieved thanks to the efforts of the corporate media. Fear got the better of everyone.

Saudi Arabia's religious views and morals against its own people and woman in general are far worse than that of Iraq's. Why doesn't the U.S intervene in Saudi Arabia's affairs, when in fact most of the hijackers of 9/11 were Saudi Arabian, when in fact Osama is Saudi Arabian. Should the list go on?

The reason behind this is the fact that Saudi Arabia heavily invests in the U.S. The strong business ties with Saudi and U.S runs all the way to the President of the United States hence why the U.S does not investigate in Saudi Arabia.... AT ALL.

Now the U.S and Israel are planning a war with Iran based on what exactly? Iran making or harboring nuclear weapons.... as stated previously there is no evidence nor is there any proof that Iran has Nuclear weapons. Is this another lie for a pretext for war? Id say so. You would have to be ignorant to not see a pattern here.

Peace

CR



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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If I was in power I certainly wouldn't be hesitant to fight back with a lunatic threating the world of apocalypse... i'd have to give em the chuck liddell knee...

And if the world wasn't such a bunch of wussies i'd already dropped the next a bomb...



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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to the OP AND OTHERS,
although your fears or views about the isreal iran situation (prpogated by the u.s) are understandable and right, we must remember that many if not all quates and speeches from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have been seriously mis quated and the publics misled for example the wiping of isreal off the map was actually a mis quote disseminated in the media his actual words where direxted at the regime, so any quote regarding the iranian president should throughly reserched and sourced as we all no the western media monopoly has a strangled hold and propagates war with iran, isreal is the place of evil and unrest genocide of th palastines. this is the country and regime we should be toppling in this bogus war on terror not iran.
the war on terror should be directed at americe the puppeters of a faxe global war and biggest terrorist on our earth,
many thnks
Pleiadian-dan



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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why is it that you turned this thread into a GW Bush bashing forum. We get it you don't like bush and you blame him and his people for all the bad sh*t that happen to the US and all over the world.. we get it. But this isn't a Bush bashing forum, its about the Iranian president and the statements that he is making, whether they be just talk or him speaking out loud his plans for the future, that is the debate here.

In the Bible it states during the end times that the 'Eagle' will always help the nation of Isreal. That 'eagle is the US.

I'm not going to spout off religious facts and things for the sake of the readers but i just wanted to put that in there.

The bigger picture here is I am a proud American I love my country and I support the president whoever they are. I admit that Bush has made some bad decisions during his terms but he is still the president and technically to speak out against him is treason. Yes I know we have the right to freedom of speech.

Personally I think that whatever happens whether it be WWIII, the end of the world as we know it, or nothing at all, it ALL happened for a reason.

And to the one that said I was letting the press influence my opinions... let me just say, I don't watch the news, hell TV period, the first I heard of the nutball making the speech was on here thank you very much, I apologize but I am educated enough to think for myself and not allow outside influence whether it be from the media or other people. I do agree that the media always puts their own spin on the news and thats why I don't watch the news, Im very conservative and I don't even watch the 'glorious' fox news either. The only news related site i goto on the internet is ESPN. I'd rather read an online comic about gaming then read/listen to the news.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Why that people have so much hate between them.... is very sick and the religions are responsible for all that hate. Also, I don't think that they are smart, just dummies and victims. If in a near future the human kind is in treat of death by an outside race, will the humans be united?

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posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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I'm removing my post because its incredibly off topic... sorry


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posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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I understand you and the "you just don't understand what he was saying" side. However, when the President of Iran has been given chances to clarify his remarks, he continues with the "rotting corpse", "Vanish' ect ect.

Heres a good one for example:

May 14, 2008
“The Zionist regime is dying. The criminals imagine that by holding celebrations ... they can save the Zionist regime from death. They should know that regional nations hate this fake and criminal regime and if the smallest and briefest chance is given to regional nations they will destroy (it).”

(Speech coinciding with President George W. Bush’s visit to Israel on its 60th anniversary, as quoted by Reuters)

www.adl.org... ahmadinejad_words.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_2



It's painfully obvious that he will not tolerate a Jewish State of Israel in the Middle East. Does anyone have proof that he will? I haven't seen it.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout
Stellar, you really should up your reading comprehension levels before posting.


While you should certainly read a few more history books i know exactly when you have a 'problem' with my reasoning!


You are attacking me, although I am NOT choosing sides here.


By making blatantly false statements you are in fact helping others to pick sides.


I said I am not in support of any war against Iran, and I said I am not saying they are right or wrong, just that they are not necessarily innocent bystanders.


Why would you be in support of a war against Iran? What have they done to the USA? Why do you even bother suggesting that any government on this planet could possibly entirely innocent? Isn't the question about which government is going to start a war of aggression?


As a matter of fact, I even said that AGAIN in a separate post on this thread, just to reiterate. I LOVE IRAN, I LOVE THE US, I DONT WANT THEM TO FIGHT, I AM AGAINST ALL WAR.


So your sane, well done.


There, that better?

Really, this childish side picking crap is annoying.


When you get your facts quite a bit straighter i wont feel compelled to bother you so it's something you can easily deal with.


I don’t think Iran is innocent so I must think that US is in the right and needs to nuke em, is that it?

It takes two dogs of war to tango.


In fact if one dog is far bigger and faster than the other one it can't win and can't run away. If the US were not so overwhelmingly powerful as compared to Iran we could say it takes two but in this case it just really doesn't.


The victim in your blind us vs. them mentality is the TRUTH.


US vs THEM? US who?


Was that your intent, to set aside the truth in order to propel your anti-US agenda? Cant you just be anti-aggression and see that Iran is not innocent in all this any more than the US is?


What anti-US agenda? Why does a person always have to be some kind of anti-us fanatic to point out that it is in fact the US national security state that have instigated or allowed a large majority of the wars of the last half century? Isn't that just what scholars call a fact when you actually look at recent history? I am not 'anti-aggression' at all but i am anti invading foreign nations for completely trumped up charges.


We all, every one of us, has blood on our hands and it does not matter who has more blood or less; we need to stop fighting and try to wash it off, both sides.


Since when do we all have blood on our hands? Would you mind speaking for yourself and leaving the rest of us out of it? Why the hell should i help you deal with your grief over your presumed past crimes when i have gone to so much effort to keep my own hands clean?


And so far as your question, one can be an "old testament" and "new testament" kind of guy all at once. If you had any understanding of the Christian faith you would understand that while on the surface it would seem they contradict each other, they are actually complimentary to each other.


You would have to be a Christian to come up with such reasoning so while i know how you manage it i know why theist everywhere are always going to be more prone to violence.


One was a preparatory system and a natural and smooth transition can be made between them. One understands that if one reads the WHOLE thing instead of just Leviticus and the gospels.


So genocide, murder and general mayhem is preparation for a natural smooth transition to more war murder, genocide and mayhem?


love you Stellar. Hope you have a good day.


I would love to have a good day but your post are by no means helping! As for the love i suggest you keep it for someone you actually know and don't so presumptuously expend it on someone you don't seem to know anything about.

Stellar



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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This wackjob will start a war if he isn't overthrown first. There is alot of unrest in Iran over this guy. He killed and threatened his way into office and that kind of leader does not always last long. He is ordering his army, navy and air forces to provoke american forces. If you watch these videos such as the boats released by the DOD and simply put 2 and 2 together, he wants us to start the war. If we take the first shot then he can lob his missiles at isreal and the forces in Iraq. Sure we can bomb back but any land invasion would be next to impossible.

This volcano will erupt and god help us all.



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