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Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by DJMessiah
Oh come on . . ., you are still spinning that bunk?
lol He has said many times over that he wants Israel gone.
He says he wants to annihilate the regime.
How do you do that? War.
He is rattling his sabers. Beating the war drums.
He wants to bring about the 12th Imam by bringing war, terror and confusion to the world, knowing that if Israel/Iran go at it, the US, Russia, and China will jump in, bringing in their allies as well. WW3.
Now tell me . . . why would you want nuclear power if you are sitting on a vast oil field.
Perhaps he has turned into a tree hugger? That is the only reason our country is not running on coal and oil from our resources. The tree huggers got their panties in a bunch.
So he is a tree hugger, or is caving to the tree huggers in his country?
Quit spinning his rhetoric. Everyone knows what he means when he talks.
Now a English translation: "The Imam said the regime occupying Jerusalem must disappear from the page of time"
Originally posted by poet1b
Look at the obvious simple explanation people
Ahmadinejad start making all this tough talk beating the drums of war as the U.S. is getting ready to choose our next leader for the next four, or perhaps eight years.
We can choose someone who wants to end the war or someone who wants to continue the war,
so why is Ahmadinejad stirring up trouble now when it will only most likely lead to the U.S. choosing a president who will defend our nation against his agression the strongest. The bad guys of the world are all in this together.
The U.S. involvement in overseas military actions is supposed to be to spread the American way of life and all the advantages of our culture.
Why should we sit by while brutal oppressive regimes all around the third world control most of the planet.
Why shouldn't we get involved to free the people of the oppressed third world nations from their oppressors?
Isn't this the concept behind the military activities of the U.S. around the globe? Unfortunately, the people our military winds up representing are the people of the U.S., truth, justice, honor and all that, but International
Corporations who only want to put people in power that will help our IC's take advanatage of, supress, and enslave the people of the third world. Our tax dollars wind up going to the bad guys, and are used to export our jobs to slave labor states.
As far as all this who started what nonsense, this has been going on for a thousand years. When the Muslim world could compete with Europe militarily, they were agressively attacking the West.
For the last five hundred year, the Muslim world dared not to attack the West, except for terrorist incidences in the last fifty years, because western technology gave us far superior military might.
A thousand years ago, Muslims conquered the holy land, now we have taken it back.
The Muslim world doesn't like it, too bad, it was not yours to begin with.
In addition, most people hear about the barbaric laws practiced in Muslim nations, and we look at the Muslim world as barbaric.
In addition, Muslims in Europe are creating all kinds of problems, and these honor killings are being carried out at a far higher rate than serial killing and campus rampages here in the U.S. that we loudly condemn, while the Muslim world denies these honor killings. Once again, the Muslim world looks barbaric.
The West will always be far ahead in technology. The Muslim religion by it's very nature, stunts the development of technology.
As long as the Islam has a hold on the Middle East, that region will always be backwards in technology.
The only countries outside of Western Europe, the U.S., and Canada, who have developed into first world economies are Japan and S. Korea, who have adopted to western culture and ways.
Technology in the West will continue to outstrip the rest of the world, and in another twenty years, our weapons technology will be so far more advanced, that we will be able to go in and out of anywhere in the third world with very little chance of taking on casualties.
The only threat the Muslim world poses to the West is through immigration. By controlling birth rates through the enslavement of their women, the Muslims would like to take over Europe through a population race.
Europe needs to take steps to protect themselves from this type of aggression, or it will succeed.
All of this plays into the hands of the IC's and the WTO, and the NWO crowd.
Luckily, all those people don't trust each other, because they are all a bunch of coniving, back stabbing, opportunists. They only cooperate to fight against the people who stand up for freedom in this world. Their problem is that they are like a community of cannibals. You never know when your nieghbor is going to try and throw you or a member of your family into the pot.
Originally posted by US Monitor
Oh well gee that makes it all ok.
So I guess if Bush were to make a speech saying he wants to remove from all time the Islamic Republic of Iran regime then you would approve of it since he isn't saying Iran, just the Govt. right? And that makes it all ok?
Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
War between Iran and Israel is inevitable...its been in the making since we (The US) gave Israel back to the Jews after WWII....tsk tsk... and yep...I'm sure the U.S. will get involved for 2 reasons...a)United States backs israel and b) United States likes to play "Team America: World Police"
[edit on 6/2/2008 by Mad_Hatter]
Originally posted by US Monitor
Oh well gee that makes it all ok.
So I guess if Bush were to make a speech saying he wants to remove from all time the Islamic Republic of Iran regime then you would approve of it since he isn't saying Iran, just the Govt. right?
And that makes it all ok?
Originally posted by poet1b
At least you admit that Ahmadinejad is beating the war drums and stirring up trouble. Maybe Ahmadinejad's constant taunts for war are only getting a little more attention now that the election is on. What makes it clear is that Ahmadinejad is definately a war monger, and yes, he does seem to have taken it up a notch during this election cycle.
You say no U.S. president comes to office by claiming he will start a war and then you say that the U.S. people always vote for the president who will make the U.S. military stronger. Seems that you have things fairly twisted up here.
First of all, the U.S. has tended to shy away from war mongers, not always, but most often, and many times Presidents have been elected who campaigned on cutting the military budget and concentrating more on domestic spending rather than military spending.
For a long time the U.S. preferred to stay out of world affairs. This is basic U.S. history, you might want to get more of the story before making these convoluted assessments.
As far as my statement that "The U.S. involvement in overseas military actions is supposed to be to spread the American way of life and all the advantages of our culture."
You seemed to miss the phrase "SUPPOSED TO BE" in this statement. Your twisted reply winds up agreeing with my original statement as posted above.
I also clearly state that while the U.S. people would like to see the elimination of brutal dictators around the world, that unfortunately, it doesn't always work this way.
Here is where you fail to grasp the logic. The international corporations who have far to much control in this world are not the same as the U.S. government. The problem is that these IC's do have a great deal of power, and therefore a great deal of influence in the U.S. government. Therefore the U.S. government, or parts of the U.S. government, and governments all over the world, wind up doing the will of the IC's.
You claim "The fact that the US national security state people are in fact the oppressors is not something they ( I assume you mean the people of the U.S. here ) can understand or wish to accept hence the continued US terrorism against the over exploited parts of the world.
Sorry, but you need to face a cold hard reality about the U.S.. First, most Americans are not that naive. While there are occasions where most of the people do get fooled for an adequate amount of time to get the wrong people elected, we here in the U.S. are doing better than the rest of the world in avoiding getting fooled over and over again.
The people of the U.S. are not as stupid as you seem to think. The second part is the harder part to face. We here in the U.S. do not live in a secured zone where liberty and the American way of life are gauranteed. We struggle here to hold on to our liberty just like the rest of the world, we have just managed to be more successful, for now.
Here's the clincher, the ability of the IC's to exploit third world nations help these IC's build power, and these IC's are able to use this power to continue to chip away at our rights here in the good ole U.S. of A., and throughout the rest of the developed world.
Then you come along and claim complete ignorance about the centuries of Muslim aggression and the spread of Islam by the sword. This is what makes you a part of the problem and not a part of the solution.
When Muslims start to face the realities of their past, then we can maybe start to work together to bring peace to this world, but as long as you want to continue to deny the problems of the Muslim world, you will remain a part of the problem.
If you know about the Ottoman empire, then you know what I am talking about. Again, you prove yourself wrong.
The Muslim's conquered the holy land, we conquered the Muslims and took it back, sound better to you?
Who does the planet Earth belong to? Who gets to be the boss of the world?
Seems to me that the Muslims are the ones demanding to control the government of the land if Israel, that the Muslims are the ones demanding to be made the boss of the world.
Actually, the women of the west have always enjoyed far greater freedoms then women in the Muslim world.
Women in the West have always been able to walk around without an escort, without having to cover themselves from head to toe. Who are you kidding?
Do we support the religious fundamentalist in most Muslim nations, or are those the ones we are forced to deal with?
Seems to me that we are currently fighting the religious fundamentalists in Iraq and Afghanistan, while supporting the House of Saud, who may or may not be religiously fundamentalists.
The situation is far more convoluted than you seem to want to grasp. There are good guys and bad guys on all sides of these situations.
As long as the west is able to hang onto representative government, and the concepts of the rights of man, we will continue to outpace the Muslim world technologically and therefore economically.
We have enough problems here in the West keeping our quality leaders from being assasinated, don't blame us because you are not so successful in the Middle East
You are only continuing to fool yourself by claiming that all the failures of the Middle East are due to the power and influence of the West and the U.S.. Start taking responsibility for your own failures.
Sorry, but Japan and S. Korea did adopt many U.S. and other western cultural traits to succeed as they have, from the institutions of the their governments and bankings systems,
the roots of their technologies, their labor unions, down to their three piece suits.
They didn't abandon their culture in favor of Western Culture, but they adopted the critical components that allowed them to become first world nations.
The West has also copied many Eastern cultural traits. The same evil influences of the IC's were working to prevent these two nations from succeeding that are working all over the world to keep the people of the third world oppressed.
These nations succeeded, just as the western nations in their time succeeded in throwing off the yokes of tyranny.
Instead of blaming the U.S. for the failures of the Muslim world, you should learn what enabled us to succeed, and what enabled Japan and S Korea to succeed, and copy those trait.
Europe doesn't need immigration, after WW II they were short on man power but that time has come and gone., Now they allow it out of kindness.
Be careful that the welcome is not worn out. All sides engage in plots and conspiracies, and evil is everywhere.
I recognize the evil the U.S. based IC's have done in this world. Can you recognize the evil things that Islam has done, and continues to do?