non-flame questions to liberal americans, page 5
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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:30 PM by ybab hsur
reply to post by redmotion



damn, i only made it through 1/2 your post
The united states of america DID NOT INVENT slavery you are so full of ignorance its embarassing.

I refuse to get on this topic, but i will provide you with a mountain of evidence that slavery existed before european settlers ever came to this country.

More liberal #. make something up to create a debate about, then say "i never said that"

i suppose your reply will be something like

"actually, what i said was that E=mc2 came from a black man who was in slavery in the year 202 b.c. and he passed it down from generation to generation until Albert Eisnstine stole it from a jewish person settling down in Africa, hence slavery was invented by America!"


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:35 PM by pieman
reply to post by ybab hsur



okay, the un weapons inspector was in iraq, thats just a fact, his name is hans blix, he didn't think there were WMDs, he didn't like saddam either but still, he didn't think they were there. google him for confirmation but this is from wiki.
Blix's statements about the Iraq WMD program came to contradict the claims of the Bush administration, [5] and attracted a great deal of criticism from supporters of the invasion of Iraq. In an interview on BBC TV on 8 February 2004, Dr. Blix accused the U.S. and British governments of dramatising the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the regime of Saddam Hussein.


america didn't go to war for the jews, it went to war because the japanese bombed peril harbour. anti-semitisim was rife in the US and europe at the time, it wasn't confined to hitler.

the jews now have a state, they are armed to the teeth, they can handle iran all by themselves if needs be.

slavery is extracting work for somebody under duress for your own profit with no benifit to them and/or against their will. you can play semantics all you like but you wouldn't have one of your daughters be a slave in a brothel.

also, the american civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about economics, learn your history. the abolition of slavery didn't require a war in any country besides the us and the rest of the civilised world did it 100 years earlier.

now the CIA, well to be honest, they're not the most trust worthy people are they? i think what liberals are saying is not, "look, see, the cia say it so it must be true", i think it's more along the lines of "well, if not even cia can plant it on them, they must be squeaky clean."



reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:46 PM by Lokey13
reply to post by ybab hsur



Again you must not have clearly read my first post, I think that getting Saddam out was a great thing lie or not. I don't percieve you to be a liar at all in fact I don't even know you, so how could I make that stance. Fact is that americans need to over through this hilarious thing we call a government, it doesn't get anything done and lies about everything and anything. I'm not saying we have to start a war to over throw the government either other things could possibly do that. I think down with government up with the people, if the government doesn't make the popular vote a factor in the up coming years and allow for there to be further voting times where people can impeach a president if their job is insufficient, then I'm moving out of the country and or I'm going to try to make something happen I'll make that decision when the time comes.


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:49 PM by jfj123
reply to post by ybab hsur



I haven't seen a lot of posts from people who actually hate the United States but instead dislike the Bush administrations illegal and immoral polices. I love my country and it's Constitution. The Bush administration unfortunately does not share that love.

During WW2, we put people in prison as war criminals for torturing americans yet our president not only allows it but encourages it. Irony anyone???


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:52 PM by Lokey13
reply to post by ybab hsur



By the way I loved your reply to Pieman. Great work.


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:52 PM by HeadFirstForHalos
1.) Give me ample examples of which rights of yours have been stripped by bush since 9/11

Illegal wiretapping.
Unwarranted acess to medical records, tax records, what books you check out in the library, the power to break into your home and conduct secret searches without telling you for weeks, months, or indefinitely.
The power to arrest without a warrant and be held indefinitely with no acess to a lawyer or a trial, without ever being told the charges against you.


2.) How is Iran's president ahmenijad (sp?) not practicing hate speech when he's talking about jews

True, it's hate speech. But it's also freedom of speech. Plus, what about our allies who say hateful things about other countries? How come that's okay and Iran is the only one under the spotlight?

3.) Except for ending Slavery, Nazism, Facism, and Communism.....
WAR HASNT SOLVED ANYTHING <--- can you disprove this statement


Most of those were just wars.
There is nothing to disprove. You're lumping all liberals into one pile if you think we're against any war at all.
Our beef is with unjust wars with fabricated evidence.


4.) The CIA issued intelligence reports, along with Great Britain and the united nations, that Sadaam Hussein had WMD's before the Iraq war began. CIA being the head of this. Now the CIA says there is not threat from Iran. Why do liberals ridicule the same CIA for being wrong about iraq, and being right about iran, becuase, to me, it seems as though all you're doing is going against anything a conservative has to say.

Those 'reports' were knowingly based on false or fabricated evidence.
People have come out and admitted that several times in the past few years. See PBS's Frontline documentary 'Bush's War' and you'll see what I mean.
Like this gem from it:


Powell says that on 9/11, "I suggested to the president and my other colleagues that this was an opportunity to begin pulling together a worldwide coalition." According to journalist Bob Woodward, that same night Rumsfeld said, "Part of our response maybe should be attacking Iraq. It’s an opportunity."



OR

From
Iraq War Alleged Weapons Of Mass Destruction


In late February 2002, the CIA sent former Ambassador Joseph Wilson to investigate dubious claims about Iraq's attempted purchase of yellowcake uranium from Niger. Wilson returned and informed the CIA that reports of yellowcake sales to Iraq were "unequivocally wrong." The Bush administration, however, continued to allege Iraq's attempts to obtain yellowcake were a justification for military action - most prominently in the January, 2003 State of the Union address when President Bush said that Iraq had sought uranium, citing British intelligence sources.[67] In response, Wilson wrote a critical New York Times op-ed piece in June 2003 stating that he had personally investigated claims of yellowcake purchases and believed them to be fraudulent.



Other than saying reprehensible things, Iran hasn't posed much of a threat so far, I'm not saying it's always going to be that way, but so far there really hasn't been anything worse that the stuff Pakistan, Saudi Arabia & Israel seem to get away with.


5.) If Sadaam didtn have WMDs, then give me a good reason why you think Sadaam delayed for weeks, and never let in the United Nations weapon inspectors.

It's not really 'If he didn't have WMD's', he didn't and that's been proven a million times over. Bush himself joked about it during one the press dinners. Because it's such a laughing matter. And he DID let in the UN inspectors.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 29-5-2008 by HeadFirstForHalos]


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:53 PM by AnOldFriend
Originally posted by ybab hsur
reply to
post by AnOldFriend



but that is the point of war

"hey we're nazis, we want to rule the world, kill all jews and nig**rs, kill americans, screw them all" Was the Nazi regime's "radical ideology"

The rest of the world differed.

Who gives a # about the resulting Nazi German and their Ideology? Their radical ways threatened our way of life. Once you pass that threshold, you've lost all rights to "your own ways"

Who agree's with the victor? people who dont want to die, thats who. Boo #ing hoo if the looser cares about it or not.


Lets try it this way, war has never solved any "real" problem. A "real" problem for example would be peoples ability to see in the dark. War certainly did not bring about the discovery of fire or the invention of the light bulb. War only solves problems that perhaps a majority or at least quite a few people think is a problem. I am not saying that I or we shouldn't ever fight for our beliefs however. You didn't ask if I thought there is any good reason for war.



reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 07:00 PM by HeadFirstForHalos
reply to post by jfj123




Thanks!
I finally got it to post my full response.

Now I'm going to go be the smug sushi eating latte drinking liberal nut bag they think I am.


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 07:08 PM by pieman
Originally posted by ybab hsur
Here's the civil war

the north
no more slavery


the south
we wann akeep dem ni**ers for ourselves and our profits


not really though,
more like we think slavery's wrong, but do what you like

you threatening me boy, you ain't gonna make me poor

your other comments are garbage too. Not a flame.
Im just really...serioulsy tired about defending this country to people who hate it but exploit it. (like you and other liberals

If you dont like it here, leave. If you liek it here , then accept it as the worlds greatest country and shut up. I never said it was perfect, i said the greatest.


if its not perfect it can improove, thats the idea first of all.
second, i didn't talk much about america in the rest of my comments, if you can't argue a point it uasually means your wrong.

If i say "Is ahmenijad liek hitler?" Thats yes or no. Its not open for debate. You either think he is or isnt, and a creidble reply is not "Bush is hitler!!!!"
never said he was, no ahmeenjiminicricket isn't hitler, he's not smart enough, he's not charismatic enough and he's not crazy enough.

Ignorance costs this country more money than all other problems combined. And that is a fact you can take to the bank.
whats the exchange rate against the yen?

Im done on this topic. You can start at the beginning and read to the end, and you will see that i've been repeating myself over and over, and when i bring up very valid points that disprove liberal ideologies, they get ignored and passed over.


just like you ignored 90% of my last post, pot kettle black kid.

if you cant answer it, fine, but stop pretending that you care.
my thoughts exactly.
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