reply to post by ybab hsur
1.) When a 250 point penalty is the standard outline set forth in another post by another super moderator, and a 1000 point penalty is infringed upon
me for lashing out against a racial comment by calling that person a racist by a moderator who made it abundantly clear that he totally disagrees with
my opinion.
Then to make matters worse i go to prove this moderators own disregard for fair moderating, i report all the other instances of name calling and
flamming in this very topic, and WOW, guess what? Nothing happens.
Your reading comprehension skills need work. 250 points is the standard penalty after the application of a warning flag. You were not warned, were
you? I see no little red flag.
You had an ill-mannered post deleted, that carries a different penalty. Please, don't presume to educate me on the workings of the site if you
haven't taken the time to educate yourself, k?
I dont care about the points, i care about the misuse of power. Calling me a martyr? Martyrs have to die first, are you telling me if i dont shut up
about this that you'll ban me? Sounds like another attempt at suppression.
Ugh...
Misuse of power is in the eyes of the beholder. Your baiting and trolling are a blight on a forum that attempts to engender civility and decorum - it
would be a misuse of power, I think, to allow that to continue.
As I said though, my hands are tied because we're talking to one another. Actually, the staff have showed a great deal of restraint in dealing with
you up to this point.
2.) So you're telling me that Hitlers words were not dangerous? You're telling me that words bear no indication on a persons intentions and should
be the basis for a preventative action to be taken? If that is what you're telling me...wel.....okay, then i have to say that people like you were
responsible for the holocaust. People like you did nothing when hitler was slaugthering millions. Only when the war came to our doorstep did we
intervene and save the entire planet with the help of great britain.
Yes, his words were dangerous in the sense that he was manipulating a vulnerable and terrified populace. That doesn't mean we should ban words, or
even certain words.
Now, you mistake my love of words for an inclination toward inaction, and that's a logical fallacy. He should have been engaged much, much earlier.
Not because of what he was saying, but because of what was HAPPENING in Germany at the time.
There was a great deal of hand-wringing in the wake of his early moves against his neighbors, and that was a product of wishful thinking as much as
anything else.
People like me were responsible for the holocaust?
Now you're really reaching in an attempt to insult me, especially considering the fact that my distant relatives were on the OTHER side of the barbed
wire.
You know who was responsible for the holocaust? The soldiers and citizens who made it their business to exterminate people. How can you blame anyone
but those who were filling the trains and pulling the trigger, so to speak?
I suppose you'll say that America was responsible for the Rwandan massacres, after all, we did nothing when all the talk in that country was focused
on extermination? How about the Chinese, who sold them the machetes? How about the Belgians who instilled the racial animosity in the first
place?
No, it's the killers and their superiors who are responsible. Punish the guilty, not the uninvolved. Christ, but this seems so simple a concept to
me - why don't you grasp it?
Im sure you knew that already - you're just buying extra time to come up with a rebuttal. Not really one you can come up with to argue that point,
because im agreeing with you to an extent. But the difference is, your head seems to be in la la land, and mine is in the real world.
Now that's funny.
Your questions starting this thread did NOT PERTAIN to what is real and what is not. You were not asking for us to clarify reality. You were asking
for us to defend the minority position that we have lost rights as citizens, and when confronted with evidence speaking to that, you toss it aside,
saying 'well that's just reality'.
It's like you asked for a tally of sports scores, and when presented with them, threw them away, saying 'well that's just the reality, I wish it
was different' - what's that got to do with your original questions? NOTHING!
Illogical is the rule with you, isn't it, not the exception?
So you're telling me that being part of an american should encompass terroizing your own fellow citizens? Maybe in liberal land that holds true, but
not in my book. And even if you want to play by your rules (and we probably should right? Dont wanna get more points docked )
The logical fallacies are strong with this one...
Citizenship is not conditional on good behavior (except in very rare circumstances), despite what you may think.
If what you meant to say was 'Law-Abiding Citizens have nothing to fear, only criminals are targeted by the new policies' then that's fine. You
should have said that at the beginning.
It's still a pretty nonsensical argument, if you ask me, because the definition of criminal can change overnight, and you may find yourself on the
other side of that divider with a quickness.
You seem to love talking about Nazis, so let me give you an example from that time period. After the night of broken glass, the blacks, gays and
gypsies in Germany said to themselves and one another - well, I haven't done anything wrong, I have nothing to worry about. That didn't last long,
did it?
If America is to survive it must cling to the ideals that are its foundation - liberty and justice for all. Those aren't just words, they're a
creed to live by, and a damn good one in my opinion.
If you're so concerned with the misuse of power, I ask you - when has a government EVER held this much power at home and in the world, and not
misused it? The answer is, unfortunately, never.
If people are to be kept in check, you needn't silence them, just neuter them. If Hitler had been kept in check in his own country, the holocaust
would not have happened. Unfortunately, the citizenry were scared and desperate, and he promised them safety. Sound familiar?
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