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I fail to see any liberties that have been given up.
i can still come here and write, and say whatever i want, as long as certain moderators dont see it
I took a trip to new york not too long ago, and guess what?
Its not different from ISPs forbidding their customers from accessing P2P networks for file sharing. Giants like comcast have, so far, resisted the urge. But its a matter of time before big govt is stuffing the pockets of some fat money hungry prick in the comcast rankings to ensure P2P's demise.
personally - if someone wants to spend time listening to my conversations, go ahead. They'll find nothing incriminating. And even if they do - and it doesnt relate to a terrorist activity - there's not a dang thing they can do about it
They're going after terrorists, not Americans. I only hope you can see the reason. I agree that, to some degree, you can make the argument that "terrorists arent using landlines, they're using those pay as you go phones"
Originally posted by ybab hsur
reply to post by HeadFirstForHalos
how is it a flame-off?
im flattered that you're insulted i never got to your topic...but when you respond and partake in multiple topics, its easy to overlook a few. So by saying "im right" simply because i didnt respond, it tells me you were timid coming into this conversation and i can feel the sigh of relief you had while posting your reply of victory
sorry that i will eventually have to squash your feeble efforts of self-gratification resistance is futile.
1.) im not climbing up on a cross. You wanna have a u2u conversation? Fine, but dont believe everything you get access to in the private forum. If yer gona take one persons side without hearing both sides of the argument, fine, but dont claim to be objective.
2.) What is disgusting about the military making sure you were safe when the planes flew into the building? But as you said, to each their own, but you really shoudl shun the condescending manner if you want to live by that particular creed.
No. They shouldnt. Its not common sense. I agree with you that it SHOULD be that way - but should and shouldnts isnt the argument. Reality is the argument. And the reality is, what i spelled out is true.
"statistically speaking" ahhhh - when those two words are combined together, you just know someone's trying to back themselves out of a hole. To give you definition on how ignorant that phrase is (im not calling you names, so please, no more punishments)
Statistically speaking
During the summer time, the largest majority of drown victims were also eating ice cream teh same day. If you dont want to drown, dont eat ice cream.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I take my shoes off at Japanese restaurants, not a big deal.
What I object to is the illusion of security and the farce that surrounds the whole process - airlines are NO SAFER than they were before 9/11, excepting those that have had the cockpit doors reinforced. But air travelers have to jump through more and more hoops, all of it a charade, and it serves nobody except the contractors who profit, and the government that reaps the benefits of our pathetic, mewling terror.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Citizens of this ostensibly free country are being treated like serfs by these barely-educated wage slave enforcers, and it makes me physically ill to watch it, nevermind participate.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
If terrorists really wanted to hurt this country though, instead of just shock it, they would hit any number of soft infrastructure targets like the electrical grid, the water supply, or the fuel supplies - but they haven't. You know why they haven't? Because there simply are not millions of boogeymen hiding in the seams of our country, it's nonsensical to think that.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
That's the problem, isn't it? For every citizen like myself, who would gladly take the risk if it would preserve liberty, there are six like yourself, who are only too eager to sacrifice their freedoms for the illusion of safety.
So, what would you propose? Don't you agree that some type of screening is necessary before boarding?
Is it really necessary to insult the security worker?
Or maybe they have learned that this president will not sit back and wag his finger at their terroristic acts. Instead, he will hunt them down and kill them.
That is unfair and uncalled for. I don't advocate giving up liberty for security. But I think - no, I know - that some security beyond lockedcabin doors is necessary.
Terrorists have tried smuggling bombs onto planes in discrete parts, then re-assembling them onboard. So what is the solution? Prohibit certain sized- containers of liquid? Or sophisticated scanners at the boarding points?
Once again, you are taking issue with the wrong people. You should be blaming those who put us in this position.
And despite all the inconvenience, you haven't lost any liberties.