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i did not say they were there for nothing. They are there on lies...i can say that, because its the truth. While you insult them with More bs. More mainstream dribble. More patrotic jingoism. Keep shovelling.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
I'm not the paranoid one shoveling bs. I don't see any holes in the 9/11 explanaitions and I don't see where we are in the wrong by going into Iraq to help them out. America hasn't forced anyone to sign up and go over to fight. These men and women signed up and went willingly. Don't disgrace them by saying they are there for nothing or for lies.
By Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank
Research fellows at the Center on Law and Security at the NYU School of Law. Bergen is also a senior fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington, D.C.
"If we were not fighting and destroying this enemy in Iraq, they would not be idle. They would be plotting and killing Americans across the world and within our own borders. By fighting these terrorists in Iraq, Americans in uniform are defeating a direct threat to the American people." So said President Bush on November 30, 2005, refining his earlier call to "bring them on." Jihadist terrorists, the administration’s argument went, would be drawn to Iraq like moths to a flame, and would perish there rather than wreak havoc elsewhere in the world.
The administration’s own National Intelligence Estimate on "Trends in Global Terrorism: implications for the United States," circulated within the government in April 2006 and partially declassified in October, states that "the Iraq War has become the ‘cause celebre’ for jihadists...and is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives."
I don't see where we are in the wrong by going into Iraq to help them out. America hasn't forced anyone to sign up and go over to fight. These men and women signed up and went willingly. Don't disgrace them by saying they are there for nothing or for lies.
yep...4000 lives to help Iraq. I know this is of topic, but give the level of ignorance displayed by Christian Voice, i felt it necessary to offer an alternative view.www.brucegourley.com...
In October 2005, the Administration pushed the Iraqis to pass a constitution that created an Islamic government. In the ensuing months, Administration policies have continued to promote an atmosphere that enshrines Islamic fundamentalism as the leading voice in Iraq's new Islamic government. Yet the American-backed government has failed to take control of the country, and in fact a religious (sectarian) civil war has erupted, with the violence growing worse with each passing month and, now, the threat of genocide. One report indicates that 650,000 "excess Iraqi deaths" since the American invasion. In the face of the violence, over half of Iraq's Christians have fled the country, while it is estimated that all Christians will eventually be killed or leave Iraq.
As the utter failure of the Bush Administration's invasion of Iraq grows worse with each passing day, and Bush continues to deny the reality of the sectarian-driven Civil War he has created, all Americans should be outraged that the lives of our soldiers have been sacrificed to promote Islamic theocracy over democracy. (Read related topic: "Introduction to Fundamentalism.")
September 15, 2007: "Religious freedom has sharply deteriorated in Iraq over the past year because of the insurgency and violence targeting people of specific faiths, despite the U.S. military buildup intended to improve security, a State Department report said Friday ....
"Many individuals from various religious groups were targeted because of their religious identity or their secular leanings," the report said.
I agree with you in the first, as i have stated in my posts. Many people are unhappy, that is why they look for answers, they are unhappy with their goverments, their governments explanations and agendas, their medias constant b.s. and spin, other people derailing their search for truth as being insignificant because they are simply unhappy. But it is that they are unhappy with the current status quo. Alot of people are unhappy here at ATS. I think that is great. So instaed of dismissing the search for truth and meaning as simple unhappiness you should be brave enough to just state that you are happy that you are at war in Iraq, that you are satisfied with the official report on 9-11. That you are happy to accept the MSM at face value.
As for alien disclosure through tv and movies, rubbish. So many people on here so unhappy with their lives that they welcome any and everything paranormal to jolt them away from their boring shady lives if only for a moment. I think more attention needs to be paid on our lives here today and how to fix things, not daydreaming about aliens.
Google Video Link
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
This type of fantastical wishing from ignorant folks (who are unfortunately the voice of modern ufology, and the reason it WILL NOT be taken seriously) is nothing more than their desires and fantasies manifesting themselves anytime they see an opportunity.
That being said, has this thread come to the conclusion that disclosure is happen now or not? I'm confused.
Plain and simple, there IS NO disclosure coming anytime soon. Why, because there is not enough competent demand for it. Key word COMPETENT. Get over it.
This thread, along with dozens of others, are nothing more than a solid example of the sad state of Ufology. You want disclosure?!? Then sit down, shut up and let common sense, reason and logic propel this subject into the limelight. That can only be done after many years of silencing the ignorant talk such as this thread, so the mainstream and the public will take it seriously enough to look into. But as long as the majority of UFO "nuts" are viewed through the typical threads and responses in this forum, the only thing you guys are doing is the governments job for them. In fact, there is no major cover-up anymore, thanks to idiotic places like this, they don't need to cover up anything. Hell, they could fly a UFO right over NEW York in broad daylight, and no matter how many people saw it it wouldn't be taken seriously enough to be investigated and hounded by the media. Now I wonder, why is that.....
If you can't see my point here, then rest assured your a major part of the Ufology crisis as it exists right now.....sorry to paint a full color picture for you....
Originally posted by jackinthebox115
Thanks for this. I've always believed but never really looked around on the web for videos. I appreciate you posting all the links.
Originally posted by alienstar
Still no concrete proof,sorry...........and if you read my earlier posts i said i believe in ufos and aliens.I just said there is proof though.Sad but true.So what are they going to disclose if there is no proof?
[edit on 21-5-2008 by alienstar]
[edit on 21-5-2008 by alienstar]
Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
This thread, along with dozens of others, are nothing more than a solid example of the sad state of Ufology. You want disclosure?!? Then sit down, shut up and let common sense, reason and logic propel this subject into the limelight. That can only be done after many years of silencing the ignorant talk such as this thread, so the mainstream and the public will take it seriously enough to look into. But as long as the majority of UFO "nuts" are viewed through the typical threads and responses in this forum, the only thing you guys are doing is the governments job for them. In fact, there is no major cover-up anymore, thanks to idiotic places like this, they don't need to cover up anything.