In Speech Before Israeli Parliament, Bush Compares Democrats To 'Nazi Appeasers', page 5
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 07:54 AM by q_ball
Bush, another great man another famous speaker



reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 07:54 AM by Gatordone
reply to post by TheBandit795



That'a a beautiful platitude from which to see the internal collapse of the most successful nation on the planet.

The politicians have always been after more power. The difference is the new, indoctrinated instead of educated youth and the apathy of parents who let the education system destroy the next generations pride.

None of which, all though interesting and worth debate, has anything at all to do with the OP. Remember that? You guys, as usual, listened to CNN tell you what Bush said. Then, even though CNN lied to you, you've all gone on this huge programmed response to anything/everything Bush.

Sure, hate me. "Deny your ignorance" and tolerate only communism and Anti-American views.

I swear reading these posts reminds me of a listening to a bunch of loser social studies teachers in the teachers lounge complain about things they have no concept of but they cant wait to "teach"...


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 08:03 AM by djerwulfe
reply to post by jimmyx



Can you show me the study/source?
Because your assertion doesn't explain the national averages of hours of TV viewing per day, which I think is up to an all-time high. And if you're "following the money" I think that should be an indicator of where US citizens head are. I suppose surfing the web might be a factor, but it's really not that much different when you see where the majority of web traffic flows.

So I don't know about your figures. And even if you're right, you have only to look at pop music sales, home video sales, print headlines, etc.
Stupid stuff. But that's just my opinion.
So how about that study?



reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 08:09 AM by TheBandit795
reply to post by Gatordone



Why thank you for your sarcasm. Anyway, for your info: I tolerate anything that abides by the T&C of this website, and only that. Anything else, goes.

As for the claim that what he said was not true, show the proof that he didn't say it. Simple. If he didn't say it, I'll accept that with ease. It still won't take away the fact that due to his actions he is far from being a real republican. A REAL CONSERVATIVE.



[edit on 16-5-2008 by TheBandit795]


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 02:20 PM by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by tomfrusso



and talks the way he should have been speaking for the last 5 years.


What is it our fault he only just decided to switch his brain ON?

Originally posted by Thurisaz
lmao - appeasement is a big word... how did he manage to get that out in a legible order?


I know, I would at least expected some stuttering or something...
This could be a turning point folks.


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 02:23 PM by kindred
Bush: God told me to invade Iraq


President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.


The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."

Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.

The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".

The same sense of mission permeated his speech at the National Endowment of Democracy yesterday. Its main news was Mr Bush's claim that Western security services had thwarted 10 planned attacks by al-Qa'ida since 11 September 2001, three of them against mainland US.

More striking though was his unrelenting portrayal of radical Islam as a global menace, which only the forces of freedom - led by the US - could repel. It was delivered at a moment when Mr Bush's domestic approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, in large part because of the war in Iraq, in which 1,950 US troops have died, with no end in sight.

It came amid continuing violence on the ground, nine days before the critical referendum on the new constitution that offers perhaps the last chance of securing a unitary and democratic Iraq. "The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region" and set up a radical empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia, he said.

The insurgents' aim was to "enslave whole nations and intimidate the world". He portrayed Islamic radicals as a single global movement, from the Middle East to Chechnya and Bali and the jungles of the Philippines.

He rejected claims that the US military presence in Iraq was fuelling terrorism: 11 September 2001 occurred long before American troops set foot in Iraq - and Russia's opposition to the invasion did not stop terrorists carrying out the Beslan atrocity in which 300 children died.

Mr Bush also accused Syria and Iran of supporting radical groups. They "have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and they deserve no patience". The US, he warned, "makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbour them because they're equally as guilty of murder".

"Wars are not won without sacrifice and this war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," Mr Bush declared. But progress was being made in Iraq, and, he proclaimed: "We will keep our nerve and we will win that victory."

www.independent.co.uk...

Bush is a complete nut who should be locked up and the fact that he thinks GOD talks to him, proves it.




[edit on 16-5-2008 by kindred]


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 04:48 PM by wutone
In his speech, Bush said, “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”

Ok I am assuming this is the line that gets everyone all riled up.

I listened to the speech and I have no idea where any reference to Obama or other democrats (well maybe Carter) was made. Unless Obama actually could have talked to Hitler.....

What is hilarious and yet at the same time dead serious is that there is white house staff that are baiting the democrats into another trap like the one where they went along with the Iraq war idea.

Bush and his media sympathizers can easily say that the speech wasn't about any particular democrat (maybe except Carter), which is true, but they can point out the sheer overreaction and defensiveness of the democrats.

The overreaction and defensiveness puts the dems into a trap.

What happens if an "incident" occurs between Iran and U.S. allied forces?

Bush can call for action and the democrats are going to be in the same trap like they were at the start of the Iraqi war. The democrats will be all over the map with their positions and sheer confusion will set in for those in opposition.

Besides if Bush really is a warmonger, which he most likely is, aren't the democrats really appeasers anyways for not standing up to him. I think Bush inadvertently hit a soft spot, although I am under the firm belief that the democrats would have gone to war with Iraq anyways if they were in charge.


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 04:54 PM by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by wutone



I think pretty much EVERYONE, including myself agree with the gist of what you're saying. Whether Bush was or was not referring to Obama, or anyone else in congress as appeasists, in any sense of THAT word he is correct. Only he fails to see WHO exactly they are appeasists for---Namely HIMSELF.

lol


reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 05:00 PM by Gatordone
reply to post by wutone



ThankYou!

Someone is actually on topic! AND they actually saw the speech instead of reading what CNN SAID he SAID!

I bet Bush WAS talking about Carter.

With all the off-topic, short response, extensive external quotes, and two posts to focus misguided hatred on half of Americans (which I will take personally, here and on the street), you might have forgotten how wrong you all were from the beginning of this thread, and how wrong you all will continue to be.

Eh Bandit?
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