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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 06:58 AM by Gatordone
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 07:34 AM by TheBandit795
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You know what's funny?
The surge of posts in this thread about America this, America that. Bush is great etc.. etc..
Well guess what. Bush is a liberal, as liberal as can be (considering the definition of "liberal" that you guys use). And that can be proven by
looking at the actions of his administration.
And as far as I know, he has never denounced his grandfather's dealings and actions during the world war, nor will he ever. I don't think he was
raised to ever do that. Especially seeing that he had practically the same upbringing and values as his grandfather.
It is also funny that he is comparing democrats to Nazi appeasers seeing that the republicans and democrats work for the same people and towards the
same goal, something which I've posted about enough times already.
You can prefer to stay ignorant and think that there is a difference between republicans and democrats, and keep on feeding the divide that they are
using to conquer you and yours; or you can stop that see them for who they really are: traitors who will stop at nothing to destroy the constitution
and cause the United States to lose it's sovereignty to another political entity.
Your choice.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 07:54 AM by q_ball
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Bush, another great man another famous speaker
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 07:54 AM by Gatordone
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That'a a beautiful platitude from which to see the internal collapse of the most successful nation on the planet.
The politicians have always been after more power. The difference is the new, indoctrinated instead of educated youth and the apathy of parents who
let the education system destroy the next generations pride.
None of which, all though interesting and worth debate, has anything at all to do with the OP. Remember that? You guys, as usual, listened to CNN
tell you what Bush said. Then, even though CNN lied to you, you've all gone on this huge programmed response to anything/everything Bush.
Sure, hate me. "Deny your ignorance" and tolerate only communism and Anti-American views.
I swear reading these posts reminds me of a listening to a bunch of loser social studies teachers in the teachers lounge complain about things they
have no concept of but they cant wait to "teach"...
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 08:03 AM by djerwulfe
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Can you show me the study/source?
Because your assertion doesn't explain the national averages of hours of TV viewing per day, which I think is up to an all-time high. And if you're
"following the money" I think that should be an indicator of where US citizens head are. I suppose surfing the web might be a factor, but it's
really not that much different when you see where the majority of web traffic flows.
So I don't know about your figures. And even if you're right, you have only to look at pop music sales, home video sales, print headlines, etc.
Stupid stuff. But that's just my opinion.
So how about that study?
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 08:09 AM by TheBandit795
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Why thank you for your sarcasm. Anyway, for your info: I tolerate anything that abides by the T&C of this website, and only that. Anything else, goes.
As for the claim that what he said was not true, show the proof that he didn't say it. Simple. If he didn't say it, I'll accept that with ease. It
still won't take away the fact that due to his actions he is far from being a real republican. A REAL CONSERVATIVE.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 08:09 AM by djerwulfe
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Oh, and this is a fascist nation. I mean, with a smile, though.
Ba-dap-bah-bah-bah, I'm lovin' it!
National partisan politics is a joke. Conservative, Liberal, ?? Democrats...
Two parties? For all these voices and specific concerns?
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 10:16 AM by Thurisaz
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Good one Dubya.
Appeasement
lmao - appeasement is a big word... how did he manage to get that out in a legible order?
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 01:09 PM by acegotflows
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wow, a Nazi calling democrats nazi appeasers. Good job Curious George Sherff. I guess it's time to kill more people with his stolen tesla tech...
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 01:19 PM by tomfrusso
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 01:58 PM by The Nighthawk
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 02:20 PM by The Godfather of Conspira
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and talks the way he should have been speaking for the last 5 years.
What is it our fault he only just decided to switch his brain ON?
Originally posted by Thurisaz
lmao - appeasement is a big word... how did he manage to get that out in a legible order?
I know, I would at least expected some stuttering or something...
This could be a turning point folks.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 02:23 PM by kindred
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Bush: God told me to invade Iraq
President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine
mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast
this month.
The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of
Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In
the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him
and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the
Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it
terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian,
has never hidden the importance of his faith.
From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are
routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see
himself as the executor of the divine will.
He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the
order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into
this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.
"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His
will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."
Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who
refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do.
The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal
to".
The same sense of mission permeated his speech at the National Endowment of Democracy yesterday. Its main news was Mr Bush's claim that Western
security services had thwarted 10 planned attacks by al-Qa'ida since 11 September 2001, three of them against mainland US.
More striking though was his unrelenting portrayal of radical Islam as a global menace, which only the forces of freedom - led by the US - could
repel. It was delivered at a moment when Mr Bush's domestic approval ratings are at their lowest ebb, in large part because of the war in Iraq, in
which 1,950 US troops have died, with no end in sight.
It came amid continuing violence on the ground, nine days before the critical referendum on the new constitution that offers perhaps the last chance
of securing a unitary and democratic Iraq. "The militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, enabling them to
overthrow all moderate governments in the region" and set up a radical empire stretching from Spain to Indonesia, he said.
The insurgents' aim was to "enslave whole nations and intimidate the world". He portrayed Islamic radicals as a single global movement, from the
Middle East to Chechnya and Bali and the jungles of the Philippines.
He rejected claims that the US military presence in Iraq was fuelling terrorism: 11 September 2001 occurred long before American troops set foot in
Iraq - and Russia's opposition to the invasion did not stop terrorists carrying out the Beslan atrocity in which 300 children died.
Mr Bush also accused Syria and Iran of supporting radical groups. They "have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and they deserve no
patience". The US, he warned, "makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbour them because they're
equally as guilty of murder".
"Wars are not won without sacrifice and this war will require more sacrifice, more time and more resolve," Mr Bush declared. But progress was being
made in Iraq, and, he proclaimed: "We will keep our nerve and we will win that victory."
www.independent.co.uk...
Bush is a complete nut who should be locked up and the fact that he thinks GOD talks to him, proves it.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 02:26 PM by DimensionalDetective
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Originally posted by Thurisaz
lmao - appeasement is a big word... how did he manage to get that out in a legible order?
I know, I would at least expected some stuttering or something...
This could be a turning point folks.
Well he may have had his special "earpiece" in that he had during the last debates, where his pupeteers feed him what to say, so he doesn't come
off as the the town drunk as usual.
On a side note, I noticed no one commented on the expose I posted a couple of pages back on this idiots family being tied heavily into Nazi
interests...
Pretty ironic that this same clown is giving such a speech when his own family got rich off of Nazi interests.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 03:48 PM by xmotex
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Well it's typical, the far right types love to bring about Hitler and Chamberlain, but at the time guess who it was saying we should stay out of WW2,
because Hitler was too powerful to fight, and that we should stay out of WW2 and let Hitler take over Europe?
One guess?
The far right, of course
And the man who led us to victory in that war was arguably farther to the left than any US President before or since.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 04:28 PM by Anonymous ATS
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Why isn't anybody talking about the press lying about what Bush said? Bush didn't attack dems or Obama. In fact, if the other poster is correct,
the Senator he referred to was Republican. So how does the press get away with misrepresenting this and nobody cares?
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 04:48 PM by wutone
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In his speech, Bush said, “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler,
all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly
discredited by history.”
Ok I am assuming this is the line that gets everyone all riled up.
I listened to the speech and I have no idea where any reference to Obama or other democrats (well maybe Carter) was made. Unless Obama actually could
have talked to Hitler.....
What is hilarious and yet at the same time dead serious is that there is white house staff that are baiting the democrats into another trap like the
one where they went along with the Iraq war idea.
Bush and his media sympathizers can easily say that the speech wasn't about any particular democrat (maybe except Carter), which is true, but they
can point out the sheer overreaction and defensiveness of the democrats.
The overreaction and defensiveness puts the dems into a trap.
What happens if an "incident" occurs between Iran and U.S. allied forces?
Bush can call for action and the democrats are going to be in the same trap like they were at the start of the Iraqi war. The democrats will be all
over the map with their positions and sheer confusion will set in for those in opposition.
Besides if Bush really is a warmonger, which he most likely is, aren't the democrats really appeasers anyways for not standing up to him. I think
Bush inadvertently hit a soft spot, although I am under the firm belief that the democrats would have gone to war with Iraq anyways if they were in
charge.
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 04:54 PM by DimensionalDetective
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I think pretty much EVERYONE, including myself agree with the gist of what you're saying. Whether Bush was or was not referring to Obama, or anyone
else in congress as appeasists, in any sense of THAT word he is correct. Only he fails to see WHO exactly they are appeasists for---Namely HIMSELF.
lol
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reply posted on 16-5-2008 @ 05:00 PM by Gatordone
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ThankYou!
Someone is actually on topic! AND they actually saw the speech instead of reading what CNN SAID he SAID!
I bet Bush WAS talking about Carter.
With all the off-topic, short response, extensive external quotes, and two posts to focus misguided hatred on half of Americans (which I will take
personally, here and on the street), you might have forgotten how wrong you all were from the beginning of this thread, and how wrong you all will
continue to be.
Eh Bandit?
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