Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by burdman30ott6
So don't bastardize the concept of persuit of happiness by trying to say it has anything to do with how much money you have or do not have.
You're a bastard if you think it's okay for a disabled person, who can't leave their house, to be systematically starved to death by circumstances
well beyond their control. They should be happy about this?!
But I suppose you think they should shut off their internet access, their last vestige of liberty, and die in silence so that you don't have to be
bothered. After all, hearing about disabled people starving to death might ruin your pretty day.
Don't try to put words in my mouth. My post was taking exception with your assinine comment that tried to tie in these peoples' situation with some
failure of our system under the guise of it violating life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. NOWHERE in the Declaration of Independance nor in
the Constitution does it say "if you cannot fund your own persuit of happiness the rest of society will foot the bill for you." Nor does it promise
to alleviate you from citcumstances which may arise that affect what your personal definition of happiness is. I could care less if they keep their
internet, disconnect their internet, or whatever. (Though I do find it very interesting that the defense for having the internet was that it's
"bundled with their cable and telephone." Last time I checked, cable TV wasn't considered a necessity of life...)
Once again I notice that when the chips are down, you head straight for the emotional sympathy arguments, dude. Reread my reply, notice that the only
thing I brought up was that your narrow view of happiness reeks of crap, and then explain to me how this:
But I suppose you think they should shut off their internet access, their last vestige of liberty, and die in silence so that you don't have to be
bothered.
has anything whatsoever to do with me saying that happiness is found inside a man and shouldn't center around what's happening around him. Your
reply was purely one of a poster who realizes their logic has catastrophically failed them, so they reach for the flailing emotional sympathy post to
make the person they're debating a point with look cold and heartless and (hopefully) redirect the conversation away from their own inadequecies.
This is like me trying to deflect your argument about the price of tea in China by accusing you of killing kittens.
As for the "last vestige of liberty" comment, I see you're completely ignorant to the real concept of liberty. Liberty, like happiness, comes from
within, not without. They're disabled? Whoo-hoo! What the hell does that have to do with their liberty and their freedoms on a politic-social
level? Not a damn thing. Liberties aren't selective or taylored to special needs, my friend. They are (or at least were intended to be) universal
and pertained purely to government action directed at restricting a person's freedoms via legal edict, which has in no way happened here.
Being able to afford a computer, cable, internet, a PS3, steak for dinner, etc isn't a promised liberty in any way. Being able to purchase those
items freely
if you have the financial resources is liberty.
Everyone has the right to not starve to death in the most powerful nation in the world.
Everyone has the right to not freeze to death on the sidewalk in this capitol of capitalism...
Everyone has the right to go out and take a job, including jobs that they may consider demeaning and beneath them, and build their own economic status
to whatever level they are willing to work towards because the most powerfull capitalist nation on Earth isn't communist Russia.
I don't want to hear you cry about it, when someone comes in, ties up your family, and takes everything they can get their hands on. Don't say you
weren't warned. The further down you push people, the more "entitled" they feel they have become.
You won't. You will, however, read about how that someone was found shot dead just inside the door because I don't play the victim game. There are
two types of people in this country, victims and successes. The victims sit around waiting for the government to come in and give them their
handouts, protect them, and provide excuses for them to not succeed. The successes get off their asses, put away their little crying towels, and take
control over their own future. There is no such thing as fate, life is purely what you make it. The problem in this country is we've built up huge
safety nets of excuses to shelter the losers and the victims from the reality of life. If you rob a gas station, it's not your fault but the system
failed you and you're impoverished... if you can't find a job at McDonalds you shouldn't be expected to take one washing toilets because it's
demeaning and the system has failed you... if you don't plan for your own future retirement and find yourself in a house you can no longer afford and
broke it isn't your fault because the system failed you. Bull!
If you invested even part of the effort you waste trying to make excuses for yourself and blame everyone but yourself for your current situation,
you'd find yourself able to change it. Instead all I read is excuse after excuse ranging from "I have a bad knee" to "I can't relocate" to
"I'm overqualified for all the jobs." Whine, whine, whine, from the entitlement crowd. You're not alone, so I guess that's all the
justification you need.
