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Originally posted by mybigunit
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Hell people cant even practice their own religion or ways of life without the government knocking down the doors and taking children and family Waco and Eldorado Tx
See, this one is where you lose me. If someone's religion and/or way of life includes pedophilia, then there's a major problem with that. That isn't just being said as a moral standpoint, but also as a common sense standpoint. We restrict, with virtually no complaint or argument against it, those under the age of 17/18 from going to an adult movie, purchasing overly violent video games, parental advisory music, firearms, tobacco, and it jumps up to 21 in the case of alcohol. We do this for many reasons, one of the primary ones being that science demonstrates their brains haven't developed enough to make intelligent decisions about things like that. For the life of me I don't see how anyone can use a group of pedophiles being arrested in a government raid as justification for removal of our rights.
Is there pedophilia? Can you prove it? Has there been a trial? Hey if they are raping 10 year olds then they need to go to jail. BUT THEY NEED A TRIAL AND THIS GUILTY BEFORE PROVEN INNOCENT NEEDS TO STOP!!!!! Im not sure how clear I can make that. That is my point give them their day in court punish the ones who are bad and let the others live their lives. Dont round them all up, punish them, then do a media blitz that they are raping 10 year olds when so far there has been NO proof at all. In fact even the media has said the pregnant girls have all been 18 to 22. Constitution my friend it was written for a reason.
Originally posted by lightseeker
reply to post by Stumpy1
It must be so nice to sit in your ivory tower casting aspursions and insults on those who either do not agree with your views or are less fortunate than yourself, financially speaking. I don't suppose you have ever known what it's like to struggle to pay your bills or to be forced to decide whether you pay for gas to get to work or buy enough food to last the whole month.
Believe me when I say that I know very well what it's like and it has nothing to do with laziness or lack of incentive.
I am a disabled Viet Nam vet, who until four years ago was doing quite well, thank you, earning an above average income and living in an upscale apartment building. Then I got sick and had to take a leave of absence from my job; they promptly offered me my final paycheck and that was pretty much that. Thank God, I had saved a tidy sum in my 401k and profit sharing account but that only lasted about a year. I was unable to work and had no visable means of support and so for the next eighteen months I was homeless; I got some assistance from my family but since they were not much better of than myself, it was not much.
I did do some networking through the VA and found temporary housing and benefit counseling and was able to apply for and receive a modest disability pension which I subsidize with a part-time job; last year I made less than $10,000.00 and after rent, small quantities of groceries and my internet service, there is not a whole lot left each month. When I travel, to and from work or the store, I take public transportation; there is no discretionary income for things like movies, clothing or socializing.
But, I am content; in fact I thank God that He has seen fit to lead me to the VA and some of the other Social Service and non-profit groups that have so helped me. So, when I hear people like yourself getting all high and mighty about people "living within their means", etc, etc..blah, blah, blah, it just really pisses me off. Who the hell are you anyway? Walk a mile in another man's shoes before you make assumptions and value judgements about them.
What ever happened to just being a human being who is entitled to a little respect and dignity, no matter their economic or social standing. Have you no compassion for anyone other than yourself? What is the matter with you anyway?
Originally posted by LostNemesis
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
As it stands right now, they can and should bring charges against any adult who not only committed pedophilia, but also any adult who knew pedophilia was occuring and did nothing as well as any adult who arrainged or performed acts to facillitate the pedophilia as accomplices to the fellonies committed there.
Why the hell even go through all that trouble?? I mean, these people are clearly not dignified or intelligent as we are. They clearly live a different life than we do. So why the hell should we care if they are innocent, good people, or not?
Honestly, it sounds to me you would be cheering on another WACO incident. Let's just surround their property, and shoot machine guns into their homes while taking flamethrowers to the outside of it!
Why go through all the trouble of dealing with these people?
They were OBVIOUSLY not deserving of dignity or "justice for all".
This is America, the land of "justice", the way the government and oblivious followers see fit.
Originally posted by poet1b
Something that everyone forgets, is that the U.S. consumer is the consumer of the world. The Chinese do not pay their people enough money to buy the goods they make, and that is true for the rest of the third world, without U.S. consumers, the third world is left with two choices, start paying their people more money so that they can afford to buy the goods and services that they provided, or go broke. The market system depends on supply And Demand, without both, the system does not work. I think most of the U.S. would get along very well without the cheap junk third world nations are basically giving us these days. There are going to be a lot of gas hog SUV's and other huge vehicles sitting in the sun doing nothing but taking up space, but the end of cheap oil makes this inevitable.
I read someplace the other day that oil refineries are currently losing money because demand has dropped as the price of gasoline has increased, to the point where refineries are starting to lose money. I thought that was good news, maybe not for refineries, but for the free world at least. The end of world domination by big oil might finally be coming to an end.