Sadly the real culprits are the neocons who took over his administration who pushed the war based on their ideological assumptions and not the facts.

I just finished Craig Unger's "The Fall of the House of Bush" and he goes into the whole sorry story in detail... Its not (no matter how I dislike him) his fault that he is a simplton and way in over his head from the getgo.

If anything the ones who should be hauled before the courts and the whole neocon apparatus from cheney the dick on down.

bush minor if anything was a willing patsy.

Originally posted by grover
If anything the ones who should be hauled before the courts and the whole neocon apparatus from cheney the dick on down.

Cheney really has run the last 8 years. However, he won't be brought up on charges or tried. I'm sure of it. Once he's out of office no one in politics would bother with him. He's used up and they want whatever will move them through their political career the fastest.

Going after Cheney would just slow them down.

Like I've said to many times. Slaves will be slaves until they do not want to be slaves no more. It's up to the people. The sad thing is that the people are scared and fear enslaves their ability to say F @@K IT! and take a stand. " But what if I lose my job? " or what about the military force?, where will I go?, what can I do?, I'm so scared! To many people have been programmed to keep their jobs and to pay the elite. I long for the day when people don't care if they die because they know their fellow citizen is right behind them and another behind him and another behind her and they will not stop until the fear is defeated and the people take charge of their country. For some reason I sound like a novel instead of what should happen.

Seeing as I'm posting here i know im fighting an uphill battle.......but here it goes.


IF Bush lied about Iraq, why didnt Congress figure it out? They read the same documents he did and voted to go to war! One being a female running for president, go figure! But she never read the reports, only a handful of senators actually did. Doesnt say much about them(both Left and Right). So dont put the blame in the hands of our President, put the blame in the hands of the government as a whole, since they missed it also(Now that is IF he lied, but seeing as how 22 other countries came up with the same intel we did, I highly doubt it was a lie).

And why did it take more than a dozen UN resolutions before anyone did anything about Iraq? If anything we(US) were keeping our part of the bargain with Iraq. Resolutions which infact were given when Clinton was in office. Resolutions about WMD's, but Saddam wouldnt abide by them.

I say we were enforcing what no one else in the UN would(Food for Oil scandel anyone???)

IF he lied about it, why? It certainly wasnt for oil. And if it was wouldnt he go for a more oil rich country(sorry to say that Iraq doesnt hold the 2nd most oil reserves)? Why are the gas prices going up in the United States? Bush isnt getting it. Every penny can be accounted for for the prices of gas. Cheney(sp?) maybe, but bush no.

AND Saddam DID have WMD's!!! Yeah I said it fellas, sorry to bust your bubble. He's used them on the Kurds! Why dont you seem to remember that?

Also, the war in Iraq ended years ago. We are no longer fighting Iraq! I hope you all realize that. But it seems that most of you dont. We're fighting Terrorists, yes terrorist. Now if they happen to be Iraq citizens, that doesnt mean we're fighting Iraq still.

So anyone wanting to pull out of Iraq now is supporting terrorism. Now before you flame me all to hell......I really want you to think about it for a day or so. Really think about it. Anyone willing to blowthemselves up to kill American troops/civilians is a T.E.R.R.O.R.I.S.T. regardless of where they're doing it.

You people seem to blame everything that happens in this country on Bush, because thats soemone you can point the finger at and say, "well hes our leader, he controls everything so it must be his fault!". Well it doesnt work that way, i wish it was that simple guys, but it cant be.

You wonder why your gas prices is going up? You wonder why food prices is going up? You wonder why the economy is in a slump? There is only one place to look for the answers to those questions, "Global Warming".

But thats another topic for another time. Stop trying to blame Bush for everything you dont like about your country and yourself, and start loving your country for those very reasons, because this is one of the few countries where you can talk the way you are talking here. Freedom is one thing you take for granted when you never have to fight for it.

Originally posted by voodoomaster2008

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed, millions displaced---ALL BASED ON LIES.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

Great post, just wanted to add that its in the hundreds of thousands, probably even closing in on a million. Last time I heard the stats the death toll was hovering around 640,000 killed civilians. That was quite a while ago so I'm sure its increased dramatically. We have a word for this, its called genocide.

You forget most of the civilian deaths in Iraq are sectarian related murders, skirmishes, carbombs, suicide bombs..The fact is that its Sunni's and Shi'ite's killing eachother..You can call it genocide, I call it a small civil war that resulted from longlasting tensions between the former ruling class Sunni's, and the Shi'ites who had little to fear from the Sunni minority once Saddam's brutal dictatorship was dealt with.

The Media is the Government's cattle....

America needs to look past them and all the lies we are fed.

Down with this horrible Administration of criminals.

Give them their trial and hang them till they are dead, dead, dead.

Society needs a clean house once in a while. Lets start by cutting a few tall poppies.

Okay
so on your own standards

i guess we should incriminate the entire congress, because they signed bush's declaration of war on terrorism, oh, and they fund it

Tony Blair has to go to
in fact, any country that has troops there should be just as guilty, because of a well-known thing as "guilt by association"

If you believe Bush attacked based on 100% made-up evidence, fine, all the power to ya, its a free world

I just beg you not to be so quick to dispel the notion that Iraq really did have WMD's....to do so would might very well come back and bite you in the rump one day

Should the presidents from the civil war, WW 1 and WW2 be tried for war crimes, as well?

And as for the new American president (mccain or obama) will that person be guilty of these same war crimes if he does not immediately withdraw all troops and cease all action in Iraq?

If your answer is no - then i think a really good reason why is in order

Bugliosi addresses exactly the questions you pose. That at the very least, Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney would be complicit. And perhaps they would be able to plea bargain.

You shouldn't rush to dismiss this until you read the book or the content of his case. You make your sweeping claim without assessing the case at all.

The case is not made against ANY war. It's made against THIS war and the lies that it was based on, and who knew what and when. And who had what evidence when. And who lied and what evidence proves it.

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

Originally posted by flashback
There is no statute of limitations on murder.

exactly
so...i go back to the other wars

What prescedent did the presidents of their times h ave to go to war?

Pearl Harbor was an attack on the US and was a means for us to enter the European conflict, which later became known as WW 2 (which you know of course....)

So...9/11 couldnt be considered a modern day Pearl Harbor?

The civil war was because the south disagreed with the north (i know there were many reasons for it, but ultimately this is what it boils down to 'in a nutshell' so to speak)

So....whats the difference?
I know you didnt bring up other wars, but i am.
Because i believe it proves a point.

Also. -you are correct, i should go read the book, and i will get around to it.

oh, and to the matrix pill guy - if you want to debate, you do so with dignity and respect
throwing snide remarks left and right won't get you much respect.