I just received a mass U2U regarding the banning of two members that made sexually inappropriate comments in ATS chat. I have never used ATS chat
rooms.
I would wager the vast majority of ATS posters do NOT use chat. Why send a negative, somewhat threatening U2U message to ALL users when the problem
involved TWO users and most members probably have not ever, nor plan to ever, visit the ATS chat rooms?
When I receive a U2U from the ATS staff I expect it to be a happy message saying I earned points for a comment in a thread. I do not see the point in
sending out a negative message to ALL members when the issue was so minor (and yes, two obnoxious posters in a chat room is minor).
[edit on 21-9-2008 by Sonya610]
The ATS Issues Thread, page 41
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reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 09:52 AM by blupblup
reply to post by Sonya610
I agree with that.
All the messages i keep getting recently are "if you do this you will be banned" "If you say this you'll be banned"
And i know it gets sent to all 9207 active members(or however many) in the last 30 days, but as has been pointed out, do we really all need to be told?
Can't you make it more applicable, like for chat users only, or people that make podcasts or whatever the issue is?
Too many negative messages recently and i feel as if a massive shift is taking place right under our noses.
I agree with that.
All the messages i keep getting recently are "if you do this you will be banned" "If you say this you'll be banned"
And i know it gets sent to all 9207 active members(or however many) in the last 30 days, but as has been pointed out, do we really all need to be told?
Can't you make it more applicable, like for chat users only, or people that make podcasts or whatever the issue is?
Too many negative messages recently and i feel as if a massive shift is taking place right under our noses.
reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:43 AM by Springer
reply to post by Sonya610
I totally agree with you and wish we lived in a world where all people were decent enough to follow the simple rules a free service asks of us to participate, but we don't.
The reason a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch is sure as heck if we sent these messages only to the people we "thought" were involved someone else would violate the rules and have the out that they did not receive the "fair warning".
We are going through a house-cleaning of sorts in both chat and BTS and apologize for the mess on aisle 14.
Springer...
I totally agree with you and wish we lived in a world where all people were decent enough to follow the simple rules a free service asks of us to participate, but we don't.
The reason a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch is sure as heck if we sent these messages only to the people we "thought" were involved someone else would violate the rules and have the out that they did not receive the "fair warning".
We are going through a house-cleaning of sorts in both chat and BTS and apologize for the mess on aisle 14.
Springer...
reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 05:28 PM by ziggystar60
reply to post by Corum
You can join Twitter, tell a mod that you have joined, and then you will be rewarded 5.000 points. That will give you access to R.A.T.S. and your thread.
Hope this helps.
You can join Twitter, tell a mod that you have joined, and then you will be rewarded 5.000 points. That will give you access to R.A.T.S. and your thread.
Hope this helps.
reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 09:10 PM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by nexusmagazine
Certainly leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.
Hi Duncan...
On July 5th, I responded to your July 4th email with the following:
Let's let the current posting-style issues cool off before we discuss moving forward with any ideas.
The issues of which I refer began roughly here, and we become somewhat surprised that someone who expressed an interest for a collaborative would participate in such an aggressive and occasionally antagonistic way.
reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 09:52 PM by Hot_Wings
reply to post by elderban
The ads are very unobtrusive. But more importantly, advertising is not just a source of revenue. In many cases advertising brings goods and services that are difficult to find in view of those that want or need the products or services being presented. Do you mean to tell me that you only buy goods and services from companies that don’t advertise?
To attack advertising itself is wrong. Almost any product or service that is worth using is in some way involved in advertising. I think that the advertising on this site is very subdued and although I have noticed an increase, I think that it is not harmful or detracting from this sites purpose. However, the front page is starting to look a little ad heavy I do admit.
Interface design is a wonderful field. Obviously the more options that one includes into the interface the more difficult it can be to provide a clear hierarchy of information and a smooth method of navigation. I would be greatly interesting in doing some illustrator or Photoshop work that may lead to a better interface design for the site. I am sure others might offer suggestions or possible usable examples as well.
This goes back to the hierarchy of information and interface design issue itself. How do you create a navigable site that includes such varying topics of interest while at the same time preserving a level of uniformity in design?
I have posted some of the most controversial topics that I can think of on this site that have not been deleted. Yes, I have been warned before for my conduct, but I fully deserved it. Policing a forum is a must and just like regular police work the people who most often violate the rules are the ones who are often the most vocal about them being overbearing in scope, in conflict with justice, or one sided in their enforcement. I don’t think this complaint will win any brownie points for you as enforcement of the rules is a necessity that cannot be avoided.
I hate to be the one to break this news to you, but no one likes a whiner. Did you offer any suggestions for improvement in your post? Or instead, did you simply attack those who are responsible for creating, maintaining, and policing the forum. How would you “realistically” do things any differently? Have you designed an interface that addresses all of the concerns of a varied content web site?
[edit on 21-9-2008 by Hot_Wings]
It seems that the site owners are more interested in cashing in on the website then they are interested in the actual issues themselves. ATS is nothing more than an ad-fest anymore
The ads are very unobtrusive. But more importantly, advertising is not just a source of revenue. In many cases advertising brings goods and services that are difficult to find in view of those that want or need the products or services being presented. Do you mean to tell me that you only buy goods and services from companies that don’t advertise?
To attack advertising itself is wrong. Almost any product or service that is worth using is in some way involved in advertising. I think that the advertising on this site is very subdued and although I have noticed an increase, I think that it is not harmful or detracting from this sites purpose. However, the front page is starting to look a little ad heavy I do admit.
The site is STILL impossible to navigate and has been for many years now.
Interface design is a wonderful field. Obviously the more options that one includes into the interface the more difficult it can be to provide a clear hierarchy of information and a smooth method of navigation. I would be greatly interesting in doing some illustrator or Photoshop work that may lead to a better interface design for the site. I am sure others might offer suggestions or possible usable examples as well.
They're trying to be the "be all that ends all" of conspiracy sites, although a lot of stuff on the site has nothing to do with conspiracies.
This goes back to the hierarchy of information and interface design issue itself. How do you create a navigable site that includes such varying topics of interest while at the same time preserving a level of uniformity in design?
Heaven forbid you post your thoughts on something that some moderators don't agree with...then they find a reason to delete or edit your post.
I have posted some of the most controversial topics that I can think of on this site that have not been deleted. Yes, I have been warned before for my conduct, but I fully deserved it. Policing a forum is a must and just like regular police work the people who most often violate the rules are the ones who are often the most vocal about them being overbearing in scope, in conflict with justice, or one sided in their enforcement. I don’t think this complaint will win any brownie points for you as enforcement of the rules is a necessity that cannot be avoided.
I was basically told that they don't like "whiners" on ATS.
I hate to be the one to break this news to you, but no one likes a whiner. Did you offer any suggestions for improvement in your post? Or instead, did you simply attack those who are responsible for creating, maintaining, and policing the forum. How would you “realistically” do things any differently? Have you designed an interface that addresses all of the concerns of a varied content web site?
[edit on 21-9-2008 by Hot_Wings]
reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 12:43 AM by nexusmagazine
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by nexusmagazine
Certainly leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.
Hi Duncan...
On July 5th, I responded to your July 4th email with the following:
Let's let the current posting-style issues cool off before we discuss moving forward with any ideas.
The issues of which I refer began roughly here, and we become somewhat surprised that someone who expressed an interest for a collaborative would participate in such an aggressive and occasionally antagonistic way.
I didn't receive your email, and I stand by my comments on that linked thread above.
After working with Greer and his many colleagues, I was appalled to see the allegations being made about him. Whilst freedom of opinion is granted, I was mostly concerned, as I indicated in my post, to see a moderator and a super-moderator also participating in the juvenile name calling.
And when I called for any evidence, which seems to be so highly cherished on ATS, of Greer's alleged homosexuality, his embezzlement, or his lies - I got referred to the most bizarre radio interview I have ever heard (Paracast). I have been on hundreds of radio interviews, and never in my life have I ever heard such bizarre and unprofessional behaviour.
The sad thing is that I get reprimanded for aggressive defending of Greer, but all the others were allowed to make even more aggressive and defamatory allegations - and not be reprimanded. But I guess that is okay by you, because you are also anti-Greer.
So, in your books I am 'unprofessional' for challenging a school-yard lynching of the reputation and integrity of a person about someone I know, but you don't. I'll wear that one with pride thanks.
You would have known that I did not receive your email, if in fact you ever sent one, because I sent three emails seeking a reply.
The feeling is very mutual about not wanting to be involved I can assure you.
Duncan
reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 10:20 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by nexusmagazine
It seems the bone of contention is Greer.
Just because one has interacted personally with Greer over time, doesn’t make him (Greer) what he claims to be – an authority on everything concerning the UFO phenomenon with a dash of spirituality thrown in for effect.
I have nothing against you as I don’t know you from Adam, but the amount of weight you are throwing behind him is intriguing. I had, a couple of years earlier, been a fan of sorts of Greer, but then whenever I mailed him for proof in the form of pics/vids etc, I was greeted with stony silence. No vids, no pics, no proof, no nothing – nix, nada.
So what happened to those Lilliputian aliens 10 to 15 inches tall that he claims to have met? Where are the vids/pics? I’m still waiting and it’s been more than a year! The bottom line is that he has NO proof/evidence for his extraordinary claims! PERIOD! Or have you published any in your magazine? If no, where does he stand on the credibility scale?
And then it’s getting tiring receiving emails from him to contribute to some free energy binge he’s currently on. I can name you some Indian scientists who are on the job, but aren’t begging for greenbacks like he is doing to apparently fund his business class travels to attend some tacky conferences that release nothing but the stench of a huge scam.
Now you tell me, how do you want me to rate him on the credibility scale?
[edit on 22-9-2008 by mikesingh]
It seems the bone of contention is Greer.
Just because one has interacted personally with Greer over time, doesn’t make him (Greer) what he claims to be – an authority on everything concerning the UFO phenomenon with a dash of spirituality thrown in for effect.
I have nothing against you as I don’t know you from Adam, but the amount of weight you are throwing behind him is intriguing. I had, a couple of years earlier, been a fan of sorts of Greer, but then whenever I mailed him for proof in the form of pics/vids etc, I was greeted with stony silence. No vids, no pics, no proof, no nothing – nix, nada.
So what happened to those Lilliputian aliens 10 to 15 inches tall that he claims to have met? Where are the vids/pics? I’m still waiting and it’s been more than a year! The bottom line is that he has NO proof/evidence for his extraordinary claims! PERIOD! Or have you published any in your magazine? If no, where does he stand on the credibility scale?
And then it’s getting tiring receiving emails from him to contribute to some free energy binge he’s currently on. I can name you some Indian scientists who are on the job, but aren’t begging for greenbacks like he is doing to apparently fund his business class travels to attend some tacky conferences that release nothing but the stench of a huge scam.
Now you tell me, how do you want me to rate him on the credibility scale?
[edit on 22-9-2008 by mikesingh]
reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 12:34 PM by Springer
reply to post by nexusmagazine
Funny how you don't seem to have noticed that I removed the offensive, childish posts about Dr. Greer the day they were posted and as soon as I was made aware of them.
We don't allow that sort of behavior here no matter who or what the target. The fact that Dr. Greer has destroyed his own credibility in many of our member's minds is not something we have any control over.
I would say that it was completely within Dr. Greer's ability to stop it but he chose not to by continuing to put up images of moths and claiming them to be "Light Being Anchor Ships" or some such madness.
I understand you have personal feelings for the man and I understand your desire to defend him as he is your friend but we don't allow the behavior you displayed any more than we allow the behavior those who were so viciously (and ridiculously) attacking Dr. Greer. There is plenty of evidence out there to suggest the good Dr. has moved on to some different path that is very far removed from his early (and very good) disclosure project work. I think that is the basis of the criticism he now endures.
No matter how you slice it, when someone who once was seen as a voice of reason and intelligent dialog starts presenting images of bugs as alien ships and starts "preaching" a new brand of "spirituality" there is going to be people who are chagrined.
Springer...
Funny how you don't seem to have noticed that I removed the offensive, childish posts about Dr. Greer the day they were posted and as soon as I was made aware of them.
We don't allow that sort of behavior here no matter who or what the target. The fact that Dr. Greer has destroyed his own credibility in many of our member's minds is not something we have any control over.
I would say that it was completely within Dr. Greer's ability to stop it but he chose not to by continuing to put up images of moths and claiming them to be "Light Being Anchor Ships" or some such madness.
I understand you have personal feelings for the man and I understand your desire to defend him as he is your friend but we don't allow the behavior you displayed any more than we allow the behavior those who were so viciously (and ridiculously) attacking Dr. Greer. There is plenty of evidence out there to suggest the good Dr. has moved on to some different path that is very far removed from his early (and very good) disclosure project work. I think that is the basis of the criticism he now endures.
No matter how you slice it, when someone who once was seen as a voice of reason and intelligent dialog starts presenting images of bugs as alien ships and starts "preaching" a new brand of "spirituality" there is going to be people who are chagrined.
Springer...
reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 02:17 PM by Corum
Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by Corum
You can join Twitter, tell a mod that you have joined, and then you will be rewarded 5.000 points. That will give you access to R.A.T.S. and your thread.
Hope this helps.
Ziggy, have you noticed that ATS have removed my post that you are referring to? Did you see anything off topic or against the T+C's in my post?
The answer is no and I cannot believe the post was deleted. From now on I will copy and save my text and if it is deleted it will by re-posted from where it was deleted UNLESS it is off topic or against t+c's.
ATS, did you move the post because I accused you of damage control? Well you just proved my point. I think I will make a thread in the general conspiracy section later about ATS and it's unofficial ''damage control'' policy, I have many examples of situations being hushed, it is conspiracy material.
As I said in my post that was UNFAIRLY deleted I believe that any post that show ATS in a negative light is swept quickly under the carpet. Damage control in force, just like the governments do, just like all the dirty politicians. After all, you don't want your new business partners seeing the warts and all version of ATS do you? Just the Disneyland version.
I also pointed out in my previously deleted post that my latest thread ''The Conspiracy Against Marijuana'' was actually moved to a place not accessed by most people here, R.A.T.S, as I also said previously the thread was educational and not against any terms and conditions of the site, but you don't like the stigma of a thread regarding marijuana so it seems, so you would rather people remain ignorant of the facts in the thread and do the next best thing to censoring it. Deny ignorance you say? Yeah right.
Could I also ask why no stars are aloud in this section? In fact, don't answer that, I can guess.
ATS, you are becoming transparent, this is not the place I thought it was.
