Originally posted by Maban

We have not "seized control" whatsoever.

Sorry, Maban, did I imply somewhere that you had?

However, we have created "things." One of the mediums we find to be useful is film, cinematography.

I must admit to you that I had already noticed this.

No the last two where not "merely coincidental." I think the Tokyo Shard did a great job with this one.They where essentially the "finance" and "visionaries" of this production.

I apologise for wasting your time by asking you questions I already know the answer to, but I just wanted some corroboration. Thank you.

There are a number of films which we had a hand in, which convey how we see the future to be.

Would it be possible for you to name any of these, just in case I've missed any? I really enjoyed the first Matrix film, by the way. I'll be damned if the Wachowski Brothers wrote all of that!

This movie was an example, that no matter how bad, we can always change our circumstances. Our environment is of no consequence, just our heart and actions. Glad you enjoyed it!

- Maban

Thank you for recommending it to us. It was very interesting and entertaining.

Maban,

1. Are you taking a risk telling us all this?
I mean, if you are genuine, then might some of your own be seriously peeved that your openly telling of you organisation?

Be cool man.


[edit on 25-5-2008 by WatchRider]

Originally posted by WatchRider
Maban,

1. Are you taking a risk telling us all this?
I mean, if you are genuine, then might some of your own be seriously peeved that your openly telling of you organisation?

Be cool man.

I think he's either persuaded them to let him come here and talk or he's here at their instruction -- assuming, of course, that there is indeed a "they" he's representing.

Maban i wonder if you get somekind of list that tells you how to live your life when you join the Illuminati?

Like maybe certain foods to avoid , dont use drogs etc.

You are the "enlightened" ones and i guess you have alot of "tips and trix" on how to live a successful life, dont you?

You alright, Maban? You've been quiet for about 4 days.

And I know, I know; you don't have time to sit around battering refresh like an utter "Luciferian," but still...

"As he said those words, the curtain was drawn back and I saw him anew."

Originally posted by Maban
It is good to see others "see us" as human, too.

Well, i assume we are all human. Are there those that question "your" humanity? Hmmm...
I would offer a reminder that I do not "see" you all with any clarity or accuracy other than what you tell me i would see if you could show me... Do you understand?

Originally posted by Maban
Understanding is the highest thing any person can achieve.

Then denying that understanding would be the highest transgression that one could perpetrate on a person.
Right?
Is my logic accurate?


Do you deny us understanding?
Do you attempt to take away, in your words, the highest thing any person can achieve?
It seems you do, so please tell us, if not, what are we missing?


What is it that we are missing, because we "see" what is perhaps a public relations excercise, in lieu of the bounty of understanding and enlightenment shared on this thread.


Hoarding information and secrecy, relentless pursuits of power, and spiritual / intellectual enslavement are evil. Correct? You must understand that you invite these LOGICAL perceptions with what you allow to be percieved.

Blessed is the child that can hold his own.
Do you understand what I am communicating?
It is essential.
I'll say it again.
Blessed is the child that can hold his own.
Even in circumstances in which seemingly limitless precautions and resources and overwhelming will has been used to get that child to see otherwise...
Blessed is the child that can hold his own.

[edit on 5/27/2008 by theBLESSINGofVISION]

Originally posted by Maban
You did not insinuate; I simply stated as such to curtail future debate. We always look ahead.

Understood. I, myself, wasn't going to ask you that, but I guess someone else may have at some stage.

No question is a "waste of time" nor redundant. Every time a question is asked there is always something else to be gained from it, that is the nature of the universe. The only constant is change.

Indubitably, good Maban. Indubitably. You could have just said this when I asked you how old you were, instead of chastising me for being a Bastard!

I would need time to compose a list of such states films.

You don't need to concern yourself with that level of detail at this time. If you could just give me one or perhaps two other examples that would entirely suffice, Sir.

Originally posted by Maban
To my knowledge, aside form research assistants, the Wachowski Brothers did write it on their own. Just because genius can be serendipitous, does not mean it is conspiracy. Some of the greatest breakthroughs in any field have been in unlikely places, by unlikely men.

I'm glad you found Appleseed a good watch.

- Maban

A perhaps, there. A perhaps. And I didn't mean to insult the Wachowski's by outright suggesting that far darker and far more intelligent persons than they interjected their own ideology into the script, but I strongly suspect that something like that happened. It was just far too massive a film. I noticed similarities between Ex Machina and The Matrix, but those could have been "merely coincidental." The recent PC game Crysis also had certain likenesses to The Matrix because they burgled the "Squiddy" designs -- so it may just be a case of copying "cool" renderings.

I guess that even if the Wachowski's wrote the whole thing, it's still a conspiracy -- if only between themselves.

Hey Maban! This is turning into a great thread, with great discussions. I have some more questions and yes one of them is because of Indiana Jones .

1) Is the myth around the crystal skulls true? What information do you know about the skulls?

2) Was Katrina purposely squandered, or was it just bad leadership?

3) Is there anything planned by any groups or people for the Bejing olyimpics?

4) What is the story behing the pyrimids of the world? Was the movie "Legend of Atlantis" right about the pyrimids?

5) I live in Canada and was wondering who the best party was to vote for? (who wasn't corrupted by evil society groups aka Bilderberg's ect...)

6) There is talks of Terra-Forming Mars, how does the enlighten ones or creator look at us doing that?

7) The way we are so destructive, will the other "Alien Species" allow us to travel in space? I know if i was looking down on us, i wouldn't want this species exploring the universe.

8) Since you say your only 24 and are so knowledgeable, at what age do the shards introduce you to this knowledge or the group?

9) Being in a group like the shards, is it hard to get into and keep a relationship? If so do you introduce your mate with the shards if you marry since they are family now? Would you or are you going to introduce your off-springs to the shards?

10) How's it going?

Thanx for the time, and i'm looking forward to your responses.

Love and Light

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PART ONE:
If the remnants are the enemy of the icelandic shard,
could you give us information that would expose them?

List of names of members?

Specific ideological / philisophical / spiritual differences that make them wrong?

Expose your enemies to the world totally...

Thank you.

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PART TWO

I was going over this far-fetched notion in my mind:
Am I wasting my time asking for specifics in regards to the nemesis that are the remnants?
Will the true loyalty of the icelandic shards belong to the entire illuminati tree or will it be to humanity?

What if i said that the concept of two different factions of the same group waging war against eachother is reminiscent of the democrat vs republican illusion...
Reminiscent, specifically, of a misdirection and deception tactic designed to control others - to perpetrate the false illusion of choice, while concealing any truth that would threaten the agenda.

Would that be a legitimate concern?

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PART THREE

I dont understand why those that call themslves illuminati, consider themselves illuminated, reference "light" as their very essence,
conceal the truth under the shadow of darkness.
Why these members of light, seek to trap this light and hoard this light, rather than allowing the light spread unchecked.

Could you clarify please?

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What is the illumiati stance on the concept and nature of what is commonly referred to as yahweh?
What is the illuminati stance on the concept and nature of what is commonly referred to as lucifer?