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Originally posted by Cadbury
Not to decrease you or your communications with God, theBLESSINGofVISION, but are you sure you didn't mean to say that you watched Appleseed: Ex Machina and found some of the ideology represented therein disagreeable?
Interesting, none the less. No doubt the good Maban will arrive shortly to answer you.
Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
I have not watched the above mentioned movie.
I will though.
You must understand that i speak not from some knowlege or tutelege givin by some enlightened master or what have you.
Perhaps I speak from ignorance.
Perhaps I'm a fool who "just doesn't get it".
I'm not certain.
If so I want to learn whats right.
Ras Kass quoted "God" in his song Interview With a Vampire,
"I gave man dominion over the earth to master the wealth,
But most of my children don't have dominion over themselves..."
Just a child looking for the answer...
Originally posted by Maban
There is no finite answer; no matter how hard you look, nor how far you travel in search of one. The unveiling of facts by a quest for truth will only reveal more questions.
Absolute truth is simply a visage that (in my opinion) religion has falsely created over the course of time. Both a scientist and a spiritually awakened individual can see this inevitability. Only the narrow minded deal in any form of absolutes.
(Not that anyone here is; it just a general statement). I thought that I should simply address this directly, given i feel it is an important subject here. Many here seek absolutes, when in truth (pardon the pun) none can be found.
Originally posted by Cadbury
So there is a finite answer, then. If any answers obtained always lead to more questions then those initial answers are finite. As in "existing, persisting, or enduring for a limited time only; impermanent." Did you not mean infinite?
No, it is a generalization and an opinion. No opinion could conceivable be construed as an absolute. Opinions are subject to conditional change, therefore they could not be considered an absolute, like the absolute of truth. Even I recognize that there is a large majority of people whom are religious whom also do not prescribe to that train of thought; therefore it is not an absolute because I was just able to prove it wrong. (p.s. this was really just a trigger to get more people involved, apparently it backfired; better luck next time)
You sound quite resolute about this. Did you, yourself, not just utter an absolute?
Thank you for the disclaimer, Sir. I would have assumed you were referring to me, otherwise. Not that I should, really, because in my opinion it does seem like many here deal in absolutes -- black and white Aristotelian absolutes. It would also seem that you and I are both guilty of it too, Maban, however spiritually enlightened either of us may be.
Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
Who determines when the "time is right?"
At what age do you teach a child what a gun is and what it means?
As a child you either had it or not.
This is why we have parents; guides to help us make the right decisions so we are able to confidently and correctly make them once we are fully on our own. Until then, we need them to ensure that we do not hurt ourselves (to continue the analogy).
Some kids would shoot themselves, some take the gun apart, some run away, etc...
Not quite; there are those whom would wish to prey on the children because they are not yet knowledgeable enough nor mature enough to truly distinguish friend from foe; however they do not "keep you chldren." This us done entirely at your own accord. At the same we encourage humanity to grow and to change, to become more than what we are. Because we retain the knowledge of the "gun," does not prevent you from maturing, it simply ensures a safe environment until you are mature and wise enough to learn such things, and with them gain new capabilities. Simply giving the child the gun without any guidance is (what I hope to be ) irrefutably dangerous. Would you not agree? Hopefully this can provide some insight into your concerns. I appreciate and admire the analogy, it is very eloquent.
We are as children only because there are those who are utterly committed to keeping us children. They wont succeed.
The "ANOMOLY" as some might say.
Destiny cannot be pacified.
I care not of others opinions on my people.
We will not lose. Humanity will rise to the occasion quicker if opposition could be focused upon.
Your words of absolutes ring true, but whom was your intended audience?
"Childish," would imply playfulness or flagrance; we echo neither. We are serious and collected. The only path by which such actions may be construed as 'childish," is our "parent-like" attitude with dangerous knowledge. In which case if this is your point then it would not be inaccurate. We are responsible (in a way_ for humanity's well being. We would not haphazardly ignore this duty, this obligation; just so the child can "see" the gun. Everything takes time, and nothing ever worth doing is easy; especially patience.
Your secrets are exquisitely childish... Or should I say how one deals with a child.
Not to be kept from your own... From humanity... What a transgression... Challenge your knowledge... Share... And watch how we grow... Stand by me as we announce to the universe that our potential (unmatched) is manifesting.
I've seen the light and it dwells in the hearts of men so very scarce. I've seen the light as i witnessed what is in me and in some. I've seen the light when blessed souls shared that light with me.
Those that hide the light are misguided at best.
Our story is fascinating...
To think the ending of our story would be so vulgar...
Not consistent with the ironies of the universe...
I am what I am...
And we will succeed in one form or another...
Betrays or Portrays? If secrecy portrays fear then I would have to agree. But people fear that which they do not understand, rather than seeking understanding they fear. Another trait humanity must overcome. Secrecy is an unfortunate and ungainly necessary evil. To protect humanity to need to keep the gun away form the child, however to protect the child it will eventually need a gun. We understand this, and look to humanity to make their own destiny.
I must say this... Secrecy betrays FEAR... This is a truth not hard to deduce. FEAR.
Originally posted by 12.21.12
Hi Maban! Great thread! Could you tell me anything about Montauk and the possibilities of traveling time? Thanks!
Some; possibly. Most of these children are now in their teens to adult stages of life. Many have reverted back to "normal" lives. Others have joined various military organizations. However, there has been a new agency which has been "collecting" as many as possible and putting them to good use, if they want to. This has of course been done by the Boston Shard. Blackwater is mostly a service for training ex-military, and people who want to possess a degree of "special forces" level of training. Pay enough money and anyone is accepted, training is their biggest money maker. Secondly, they do possess operatives on their payroll for government operations via contract, thus ops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Originally posted by 12.21.12
You mentioned that Montauk trained children, could these mercenaries be Blackwater? I couldn't help but notice that the Germans also did this during WWII.
Also while we are on the subject of children, is there a conspiracy in the US as outlined in The Social Security Act to establish rights to children that supercede the right of the childrens birth parents?
A type of Fascist state is not exactly what those in power truly want, however a near police state would not be overlooked. If they ("they" ex. Builderburg) would be able to get a majority of the population in either the military or law enforcement it would make their objectives much easier. There would be few to question them, they could launch larger campaigns,and maintain higher control over all of their people; so this is in effect what they are pushing for. What do you think many of these "pro-war" and "pro-violence" media outlets are for? It is a type of semi0subliminal "brainwashing" (it's a little extreme word, but i will use it for context) that helps mold young minds into what is "acceptable," and even "expected" of them.
What does the state want with our children exactly, more specifically, children born in a post 9/11 world?
No , a magnetic field neither possess the capability nor the strength to do anything like it. Magnetic fields are strong to a certain point. However, to begin to even get near a singularity type event, you would have to begin generating gravimagnetic fields. Something which we only recently became aware of. Essentially they are somewhat ( I use this term loosely) linked with the concept of zero point vacuums. They both operate generally off the Casimir Effect. Using this basic concept we apply it to a spinning superconductor along it's flat axis. At 6500rpm we begin to notice a 2% reduction in weight, because it is actually slightly negating earth's force pulling down on it. Anti-Gravity (Spinning Superconductor) If we where able to amplify these effects then we would begin to see the type of fields we would need to create. In addition, if you take two spinning superconductors and oppose their magnetic axis you begin to create a small "bleed through"effect, where gravitons more rapidly bleed through (form their diemention) into our dimensions. This was later discovered after the gravimagnetic effects of a single spinning superconductor. You see what is truly needed is a large gravimetric field to produce the type of space-time bending field you mentioned. Gravity and magnetism are indeed "related" however they are two entirely different things. Gravity for one is an unobserved force (besides its effects) which is now theorized to be "bleeding through' form another dimension (i.e. 5th or 6th) and is actually quite strong but dampened by its bleed through. When special conditions are made here in these dimensions it provides a weak point for them to "bleed through" and cause greater effects. In essence, right now we don't possess the technology,l et alone the knowhow to make a "time portal." You are beginning to shift into special stellar phenomena (i.e. wormholes) which are very rare things (at the caveat if they actually exist).
Now when you spoke about time travel, you mentioned the use of magnetic fields. This is a great topic of interest to me. Could this be achieved through help from the development of cold fusion?
Directly, No. They may involve magnetic fields as a stabilization method, but highly unlikely. Sunlight... if you could somehow harness the fusion power of the sun directly, maybe. But even that's a little far of a jump. Simply put many of the (not trying to be rude or abrupt) "hocus-pocus" methods of time travel, are just that fantasy. There is truly no "real" science to them, except for the fact that some of their aspects 'lead" researchers to see a physics law violation, and have to rethink things; no more really.
According to what you know about time travel, can it be achieved be achieved through the use of hard water, magnets, and sunlight?
Besides attempting to piggyback on a wormhole, no.
Are their certain astronomical conditions that favor time travel?
A good deal, what are you specifically looking for? Wireless energy? Maglev technologies? Plasma Shielding... there are a number of them. Nikolai Tesla was truly genius, unfortunately the government seized all of his research after his death.
Are you aware of any new technologies such as those Nikolai Tesla was developing during his time on earth?
I had not heard of this type of technology before. Do you have a link to a scientific description, or some sort of equivalent. I think you may be talking about a type of ZPV, although some of it sounds, suspiciously like frivolous stuff.
More specifically trains that are suffecient by omitting a plasma field contained within a tube using opposite poles to create a self reliant and silent means of recyclable energy?
I think you're thinking of gravimagentic fields, however maglevs are quite similar. Hopefully this makes sense.
Magnetic technologies designed to lift massive objects from the ground?