Originally posted by biggie smalls
The creation of the modern state of Israel is not a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. God did not create Israel, the UN did. God is not the UN. Many would argue the UN is the "antichrist" and part of the evil world government.

This is not "god's will", but free will. People created Israel. I'm sorry religious folks, but the second coming of Jesus is not happening anytime soon.

If god did in fact reinstate the Jewish state of Israel, that would be one thing. I for one do not believe the UN speaks for god, so that is simply not the case.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Hitler could have won world war II and exterminated all the Jews as well, the UN or Christians didn't set up the outcome of world war two to "fulfill" prophecy either. If the allies had lost the war the prophecy would not have been fulfilled and you might have a point (but you would be posting it in German). There's no way we could have manipulated the outcome of the war.

[edit on 4/30/2008 by Bigwhammy]

The Bible predicted it thousands of years ago, then it happened in 1948, that is the definition of a fulfilled prophecy.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Hitler could have won world war II and exterminated all the Jews as well, the UN or Christians didn't set up the outcome of world war two to "fulfill" prophecy either. If the allies had lost the war the prophecy would not have been fulfilled and you might have a point (but you would be posting it in German). There's no way we could have manipulated the outcome of the war. The Bible predicted it thousands of years ago, then it happened in 1948, that is the definition of a fulfilled prophecy.

Originally posted by Conspiriology

The Bible predicted it thousands of years ago, then it happened in 1948, that is the definition of a fulfilled prophecy.

Exactly! and I might add the most compelling part of the whole scenario.
If that wasn't prophesy fulfilled then nothing is.

If that isn't GOOD enough to be considered prophesy fulfilled then nothing ever will be and we may as well just close the thread right here.

The Holocaust, the killing of approximately 6 million European Jews by the Nazis, had a major impact on the situation in Palestine. During World War II Britain, which had been granted a mandate over Palestine by the United Nations, forbade entry into Palestine for European Jews escaping Nazi persecution.

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of a Partition Plan that created the State of Israel. The British reliquished their mandate over Palestine in 1948. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews soon after. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, established the state of Israel as an independent state, with the rest of the British Mandate of Palestine split into areas controlled by Egypt and Transjordan.

In 1949, Israel signed separate cease-fire agreements with Egypt on February 24, Lebanon on March 23, Transjordan on April 3, and Syria on July 20. Israel was able to draw its own borders, occupying 70% of Mandatory Palestine, fifty percent more than the UN partition proposal allotted them. These borders have been known afterwards as the "Green Line". The Gaza Strip and West Bank were occupied by Egypt and Transjordan respectively.

While the establishment of the state of Israel was seen by Christian Zionists as a sign that God was fulfilling his promises to Abraham and Jacob, the early political leaders of Israel were primarily secular. David Ben Gurion, Israel's Prime Minister from the founding of Israel until 1963, represented the secular Ideals of the early Zionists. For practical reasons, Ben Gurion accepted the boundaries that excluded the ancient Jewish lands of Samaria and Judea in the West Bank. The early Israeli leaders also agreed to a divided Jerusalem.

Originally posted by biggie smalls
The creation of the modern state of Israel is not a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. God did not create Israel, the UN did.