The Creation of Israel does NOT fulfill Biblical Prophecy

a reply to: biggie smalls

"God did not create Israel, the UN did."

Archaeological evidence more than sustains that Israel existed long before the Romans came in, renamed it 'Judea' and then following the Jewish uprising, renamed it again as, 'Palestine'.

The history is out there.

originally posted by: redoubt
a reply to: biggie smalls

"God did not create Israel, the UN did."

Archaeological evidence more than sustains that Israel existed long before the Romans came in, renamed it 'Judea' and then following the Jewish uprising, renamed it again as, 'Palestine'.

The history is out there.

he meant modern Israel, if not for a lot of things besides UN like WWII and WWI occurring it'd still be Palestine run by muslims.

originally posted by: akushla99
The premise of the OP prophesy rests on the insane idea that a Supreme God needs to manipulate world affairs to fulfill anything - that there is a plan - that is orchestrated to fulfill a prophesy (that would need no manipulation ipso facto, if it were prophecy)...and ridiculously argue the relative merits of having one or both 'sides' subject to unimaginable pain, anguish and torment on a daily basis, because a Superintelligent, Superpowerful, Superknowledgeable creator of all that is seen and unseen (who will, by proxy, have a final battle 'prophecied' by 'someone/s with obvious early-onset dementia [John of Revelation]) cannot, and could not achieve it any other way...consider the utter ridiculousness of this tripe...

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I think a lot of things in old and new testaments and other gospels hint that god is not reall all powerful . . . pretty powerful yes but not all powerful . . . as in can god create a rock that is so heavy even he could not pick it up? no. Can god create a paradise himself? no, but because free will humans need to create it themselves. I think that is what Jesus said but it has been suppressed, romans wanted people to believe abunch of harmless nonsense rather than try to create paradise on earth, which would require overthrowing the corrupt emperor and elites. Same as nowadays.

Why doesn't Israel rebuild the temple in Israel? Why not rip off the gaudy gold on the minaret? God has to hate that right?

Because right after that happens, when Jesus does not return, billions of Christians would realize what muslims already know, that Israelis are not worth dying and giving money to. Many think that is the prophecy (despite jesus saying nothing of the sort)

"There is one overriding question that accompanies the Zionist project, wrote Gershom Scholem, the scholar of Jewish mysticism – “Whether or not Jewish history will be able to endure this entry into the concrete realm without perishing in the crisis of the messianic claim, which has virtually been conjured up.” The entry into history to which Scholem refers is the establishment of the... "

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originally posted by: HorusChrist

originally posted by: akushla99
The premise of the OP prophesy rests on the insane idea that a Supreme God needs to manipulate world affairs to fulfill anything - that there is a plan - that is orchestrated to fulfill a prophesy (that would need no manipulation ipso facto, if it were prophecy)...and ridiculously argue the relative merits of having one or both 'sides' subject to unimaginable pain, anguish and torment on a daily basis, because a Superintelligent, Superpowerful, Superknowledgeable creator of all that is seen and unseen (who will, by proxy, have a final battle 'prophecied' by 'someone/s with obvious early-onset dementia [John of Revelation]) cannot, and could not achieve it any other way...consider the utter ridiculousness of this tripe...

Å99

I think a lot of things in old and new testaments and other gospels hint that god is not reall all powerful . . . pretty powerful yes but not all powerful . . . as in can god create a rock that is so heavy even he could not pick it up? no. Can god create a paradise himself? no, but because free will humans need to create it themselves. I think that is what Jesus said but it has been suppressed, romans wanted people to believe abunch of harmless nonsense rather than try to create paradise on earth, which would require overthrowing the corrupt emperor and elites. Same as nowadays.

I'm so glad you took this in the way you did. When you dissect the process needed to arrive (backwards) at a prophecy/what happens, discussion - it is far too easy to use back-engineering to sand down the rough edges of a square peg to fit into a round hole...

The premise is simple...if You accept it - there is no satan, there never could be, and no-one could be tempted into 'sin' because there could NEVER be a skerrick of challenge from any created beings EVER...any other position calls into question what you think (not You, obviously) of Almighty as a concept that has a very distinct meaning...remove 'satan' from the equation, and the little golden book begins to make a whole lot more sense, especially when concorded with most other cosmologies.



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a reply to: biggie smalls

I believe you're right!

The Israel the Bible refers to is the one the Messiah came to - the lost sheep of the House of Israel, and it is the one that Caiaphas prophesied that the Messiah died to unite with Judah.

Israel was not formed by any man-made organisation, but will be brought about just before the appearance of the Antichrist and it is these Israelites who will not marvel when they see this Beast.

The identifying features of the Biblical Israel is that it is made up of many peoples, from all languages, tongues, gender, religious backgrounds, and from other sheepfolds, who worship only the LORD God, by keeping to His Covenant of the Ten Commandments, who testify to the Messiah and take up their crosses to follow him, who will be killed in the Tribulation over his name, because they refuse to worship the Antichrist knowing who he really is. So many will be killed in the Tribulation that no one will be able to count them.

Israel is not one little corner of the world - it is a global spiritual nation that is only now beginning to shoot forth. It will comprise of ordinary people who will hear and learn from God Himself.

[The Covenant of the Ten Commandments was made with the children of Israel - i.e. Judah and Israel collectively.]

[The 631 sub-commandments include some for menstruating women, some for high priests, some for priests, etc. so they don't all apply to everyone.]