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Originally posted by msnevil
I still can't help but think that it would not be fair to us, for Snipes to get away with tax evasion. While citizen John Doe would go to to jail for tax evasion.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
He uses the roads that taxes pay for.
He uses the services that taxes pay for.
He is living in freedom that our taxes pay for (the military).
etc etc
Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
Morpheus: I won't lie to you, Neo. Every single man or woman who has stood their ground, Everyone who has fought an agent has died.
Why not send this entire thread to your state representatives?
Get over it. Pay your taxes. Support your country. Die well.
Originally posted by pluckynoonez
reply to post by ianr5741
He had the wrong argument. The right argument is that the tax code is incomprehensible. And if something is incomprehensible, you cannot be, as a matter of Law, compelled to honor and sustain it.
Originally posted by C0le
reply to post by logician magician
Thanks.
If it can not be paid back ever, how is it possible for the debt to decrease?
There must be a lowest critical value that it can get down to. Can you tell us what it is?
Is the debt it ALWAYS getting higher, or is it possible to begin to balance it?
Does the interest that the US pays to the Federal Reserve also increase as the GDP increases?
There must be some critical low in relation to the amount of money being circulated. Can you provide us with figures?
Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the
power to coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof.
Federal Reserve notes are not money. They are paper. Loophole. McDonals. Supermarkets. They don't have anything to do with the Constitution.
The constitution has allowed for this, so what does it say about the constitution? It is a living document. Perhaps the founding fathers realized that gold and coined money would not suffice forever?
The problem being is that congress has given this power away to a Private
Central bank, This bank is known to us as the Federal Reserve, Some would and do believe that the Federal Reserve is a part of the United States Government, It is not, It is a privately owned institution operated by various share holding banks and bankers.
Yes, banks are usually privately owned. If they were not then they would be government run and socialist.
The Federal Reserve prints money backed by nothing out of thin air, then
loans it to our Government at interest, this means for every dollar our
Government borrows, comes a certain percentage of interest attached to it.
That's the whole point of the world economy - the US is not an isolated country. If everyone played by the gold standard then we would be stagnant. The dollar is not backed by a finate amount of gold anymore, but by the productivity of the American citizen and the economy.
This loan is the national debt.
Now again our Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve at
interest when it doesn't need to borrow anything as it has the powers to
create and regulate the value of money all on its own.
Sure, sure. Everything else just manifests out of thin air.
Now as the findings of the Grace commission have shown us, All of the
money from income taxes go directly to repaying this debt,
If income tax goes to paying the national debt, then how can local taxes do the same thing while paying for infrastructure and schools, etc...?
Should local taxes balance the federal budget?
Seeing as all of our money comes from this central bank, when we go to pay back this debt, Where do we get the money to pay for the interest from?
Then what does the Bureau of Printing and Engraving do? Is that controlled by the Federal Reserve?
This debt can never be repaid, It was never meant to be.
Congress has not only given away its power to create money to Private
bankers, but also the power to regulate the value of it.
When you borrow a dollar from your credit card company at 12% interest, how is it possible that you can pay back $1.12?
I've sent numerous long well researched letters to ALL of my state representatives, regarding various subjects and received in return long thought out replies and satisfactory answers to my inquires...
Want to see a few samples of what I received from my Tax, IRS, Federal Reserve letters?
I respect that. Why do you think you have not received any positive replies? Do you think they are in on the conspiracy?
The funny thing about flag wavers such as yourself is you use "pay your taxes" as a general term as if we somehow don't pay or don't wan to pay all Taxes, This is completely ignorant and contradictory to everything we try to explain to simple minded people, We do pay the taxes that support this country every day, When we fill up our tanks or go through a toll... etc, etc, etc...
What would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?
Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?
The income tax doesn't Supportthis country.
Indirect local Tax support EVERY piece of infrastructure and security in your State and cities...
Doesn't it support the country from the wrath of the Federal Reserve?
What happens if the U.S stops diverting its money to pay off the Federal Reserve Debt?
[edit on 27-4-2008 by logician magician]
[edit on 27-4-2008 by logician magician]
Originally posted by logician magician
Thanks.
If it can not be paid back ever, how is it possible for the debt to decrease?
There must be a lowest critical value that it can get down to. Can you tell us what it is?
Is the debt it ALWAYS getting higher, or is it possible to begin to balance it?
Does the interest that the US pays to the Federal Reserve also increase as the GDP increases?
There must be some critical low in relation to the amount of money being circulated. Can you provide us with figures?
Federal Reserve notes are not money. They are paper. Loophole. McDonals. Supermarkets. They don't have anything to do with the Constitution.
The constitution has allowed for this, so what does it say about the constitution? It is a living document. Perhaps the founding fathers realized that gold and coined money would not suffice forever?
Yes, banks are usually privately owned. If they were not then they would be government run and socialist.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)
"The system of banking is a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity is but swindling futurity on a large scale." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)
"The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)
"Paper is poverty... It is not money, but the ghost of money." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance." (James Madison speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation therefore, and all our activities, are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
(President Woodrow Wilson, after having broken campaign promises and betrayed his country by signing into law the Federal Reserve Act)
Sure, sure. Everything else just manifests out of thin air.
If income tax goes to paying the national debt, then how can local taxes do the same thing while paying for infrastructure and schools, etc...?
Should local taxes balance the federal budget?
Then what does the Bureau of Printing and Engraving do? Is that controlled by the Federal Reserve?
When you borrow a dollar from your credit card company at 12% interest, how is it possible that you can pay back $1.12?
I respect that. Why do you think you have not received any positive replies? Do you think they are in on the conspiracy?
What would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?
Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?
Doesn't it support the country from the wrath of the Federal Reserve?
What happens if the U.S stops diverting its money to pay off the Federal Reserve Debt?
Originally posted by logician magicianWhat would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?
Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?
Originally posted by k3456789
screw
IRS
bush
cheney
nsa
cia
black government
alien controlled humans
and all the other parasites