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Wesley Snipes to Serve 3 Years

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posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by msnevil
I still can't help but think that it would not be fair to us, for Snipes to get away with tax evasion. While citizen John Doe would go to to jail for tax evasion.



He's not getting away with anything. The criminals here are the IRS and Federal Reserve.

You've been suckered into believing you "owe" an income tax. YOU DON'T.

Wesley Snipes has committed no crime according to justice, or common law, or even according to the laws set forth by the United States Constitution.

You have been lied to over and over again... You've grown up being shown that "everybody pays income tax" and those that don't are getting away with something. In actuality, no one owes a tax on their labor.

The graduated income tax is designed to serve two purposes:

- To punish those who earn too much money (higher incomes pay higher %). This creates an incentive to sit on your butt. Do that, and you work to further the goal of destroying this country economically, so that the money creators can take over out of our desperation.
- To suck dollars out of the economy to hold inflation in check, balancing the fiat currency created out of thin air or paper by the Federal Reserve System, so that they may perpetuate the fraud without drawing too much attention to it. The income tax is a distraction from the money-creating process of the government & banks.


The government doesn't need your tax money. When they need money, they create it.

It's about keeping the common man (99.9999% of the poulation) down by reducing our economic strength.




posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

He uses the roads that taxes pay for.
He uses the services that taxes pay for.
He is living in freedom that our taxes pay for (the military).
etc etc




First off...

1) Roads are paid for by gasoline taxes, and the fees you pay when you buy or dispose of tires.

2) The military's budget is paid for by corporate income taxes.

3) Schools are paid for by property taxes.


The income tax was instituted in 1913, the same year the Federal Reserve was created.

The tax itself just pays the interest on the debt to the Federal Reserve. This interest is owed to the Fed for creating the money we use to buy and sell with. They don't work for this money, they create it out of thin air, and then charge interest on it.

When you pay your income tax, all you get for your money is a reduction of the interest on the national debt.

Are you happy with that?




[edit on 26-4-2008 by ianr5741]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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When I see threads such as this and really anything regarding the status quo in general I can't help but to think of this quote from the Matrix movie.


Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.



Morpheus: I won't lie to you, Neo. Every single man or woman who has stood their ground, Everyone who has fought an agent has died.



[edit on 26-4-2008 by C0le]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Well..

This thread has proven it.

Nobody at all, ever, has to pay income tax.

....

I just want to know: Everyone who has been arguging and throwing out skewed defintions.. what do you hope you accomplish? Are you trying to impress the ignorant conspiracy theorist with your clever rhetoric and logical, yet, erroneous interpretation of the tax codes?

I want you to answer this:

Why not send this entire thread to your state representatives?

I already know the answer. Actually, I already know the answers because they extend to beyond infinity.

Why pretend that you can live in a country and not pay taxes, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE REPRESENTATION?

Asking for proof of tax is like asking for proof why murder is wrong.

Get over it. Pay your taxes. Support your country. Die well.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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You've obviously not read a single post in this thread as if you did, you would realize, Not only why we disagree only with CERTAIN taxes, But also what those Taxes pay for, and what they don't if you understood these things you wouldn't agree with paying those CERTAIN taxes either.

Wake up, quit defending a system which was designed from its conception to screw you. Stop waiving your little patriot feel good flag for a System which doesn't give a damn about you.


Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the
power to coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof.

The problem being is that congress has given this power away to a Private
Central bank, This bank is known to us as the Federal Reserve, Some would
and do believe that the Federal Reserve is a part of the United States
Government, It is not, It is a privately owned institution operated by
various share holding banks and bankers.

The Federal Reserve prints money backed by nothing out of thin air, then
loans it to our Government at interest, this means for every dollar our
Government borrows, comes a certain percentage of interest attached to it.

This loan is the national debt.
Now again our Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve at
interest when it doesn't need to borrow anything as it has the powers to
create and regulate the value of money all on its own.

Now as the findings of the Grace commission have shown us, All of the
money from income taxes go directly to repaying this debt, Not one penny
of it goes to the things most Americans would believe it would go to. such
as infrastructure ect..

Seeing as all of our money comes from this central bank, when we go to pay
back this debt, Where do we get the money to pay for the interest from?

Our Government borrows even more money from the Federal Reserve, thus
increasing the debt. In turn more money is flooded into the economy at
interest.

This debt can never be repaid, It was never meant to be.
Congress has not only given away its power to create money to Private
bankers, but also the power to regulate the value of it.

This is in essence slavery,


Why not send this entire thread to your state representatives?

I've sent numerous long well researched letters to ALL of my state representatives, regarding various subjects and received in return long thought out replies and satisfactory answers to my inquires...

Want to see a few samples of what I received from my Tax, IRS, Federal Reserve letters?

I have dozens of letters to my Representatives regarding these subjects, Backed with tons of research, Legal precedents, Supreme Court rulings, IRS inquiries, etc, etc, etc... The replies from all of them are nearly identical to the following,





Bs responses that don't answer a damn thing.



Get over it. Pay your taxes. Support your country. Die well.

The funny thing about flag wavers such as yourself is you use "pay your taxes" as a general term as if we somehow don't pay or don't wan to pay all Taxes, This is completely ignorant and contradictory to everything we try to explain to simple minded people, We do pay the taxes that support this country every day, When we fill up our tanks or go through a toll... etc, etc, etc...

The income tax doesn't Supportthis country.
Indirect local Tax support EVERY piece of infrastructure and security in your State and cities...

[edit on 26-4-2008 by C0le]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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I am actually very appreciative of the detractors posting here. Their position. however brusquely stated, is a clear demonstration of the effectiveness of the media-driven propaganda in place since the early 20th century.

In fact, it would have been highly unrealistic of the Jekyll Island group to believe that the financial 'burden' they were planning to place on the United States was tenable under any circumstances, lacking a constant 'conditioning' to enforce the cooperation of the public. This explains the subterfuge regarding the 'enlistment' of the 25 or so most influential newspapers in the nation. It clearly demonstrates that the power to directly control the 'free press' has far-reaching applications, beyond the ideological.

With the successful establishment of the FED, the debt burden became astronomical, and the wealth began to flow from America EXACTLY as those Europeans who planned "the enterprise" had in mind.

Ready?

Welcome to Direct taxation without representation. Sound familiar?

But you must pay:

First, to appease the masses, they made it a plain 'snow job'..., their media 'tools' obliged gleefully; commonly held wisdom (which we could say was the 'wisdom' given to the 'commoners') was that Taxes pay for Government Services. You must pay for that, or you wouldn't have a government, right?
The amount of energy and effort put into creating the scaffolding for this lie is evidenced by the fact that it is still a very common misconception held today (Isn't that right Mom? Love ya
).

Eventually the logic barrier was finally broken when people began to realize, that aside from payroll for politicians and appointees, some office space for them, and other miscellaneous benefits, that doesn't amount to much. Local services and 'civil' employees and their upkeep had been built into the system by the communities who built them.

Then the almost revered (according to them anyway) free (according to them anyway) press began to help out by publicly vilifying any dissent to pay income tax. In my personal opinion, this measure was so effective and easily implemented by these editorial-conspirators that they became addicted to the practice, and still engage in it to this very day.

Also there came a new doctrine creating our 'addiction to warefare'. Recognition of the constant 'threat' of war, and enemies of the state, became the daily requirement in the press, and armies were the patsies. Suddenly military support became 'vital' enough to warrant endlessly borrowing.., The list of 'obligations' is endless replenished and re-framed by the only force on this planet that can reach people despite any cultural, social, political, or even religious boundaries - the media.

Eventually a new 'meme' was created - there is only one tax. If you are against having your income taxed, you are against paying taxes. This is a prevalent objection among those who have the weakest understanding of government as a principle; mostly those enamored of the 'government as business' group-think. These are the same people who will. with their dying breath, maintain things like, 'hospitals have to be run like a business', and 'poor people are holding this country back'.

... this is all to say virtually every objection to defying the illegal 'soup to nuts' that we call the IRS/Income Tax/Fed as Master paradigm flies in the face of any legal, civic. or patriotic, perspective you can bring to the table.

I feel a bit ashamed because not knowing Mr Snipes personally, I am hesitant to attribute heroic patriotism or honorable objective to his actions to date. Yet, I must defend his right to refuse. (I accept that he may as well have been an avaricious man who found some excuse not to bear the burden others in our society have no choice but to bear.)

I am inclined that the government must soon be called upon to defend its' contention that it has the right to siphon wealth from the individual citizen. Right now, in part because of the weight of the ever pervasive media (ATS included), there has been a successful re-framing of the problem by holding that Income tax-dissenters have to prove there is no requirement to comply with such a tax.

I think a shift in paradigm is in order and we must adopt the perspective that our 'employee' the United States Government MUST prove that it has been AUTHORIZED to do it.

Yet we are lulled into allowing our political patsies to remove our ability to compel such a response. They are muddling around in our constitution as we speak, who knows what damage they will do before all is said and done. We may have to pay income taxes to the Fed yet, and I am certain they ARE working on this.

By the way - can someone who thinks this is all loony kooky talk tell me why the IRS specifies that the taxes we owe are 'voluntary'? In what way does the word 'voluntary' translate to 'obligatory'? Why haven't they removed that from their forms yet? An oversight. perhaps?

(I'll give you a hint, if a local agency or agent are found by a court to be fraudulently or abusively applying arbitrary fees, or racketeering, they can not be prosecuted because you were a voluntary participant.) Seems like an easy thing to disprove, huh?

[edit on 26-4-2008 by Maxmars]

[edit on 26-4-2008 by Maxmars]



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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He had the wrong argument. The right argument is that the tax code is incomprehensible. And if something is incomprehensible, you cannot be, as a matter of Law, compelled to honor and sustain it.



posted on Apr, 26 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by pluckynoonez
reply to post by ianr5741
 


He had the wrong argument. The right argument is that the tax code is incomprehensible. And if something is incomprehensible, you cannot be, as a matter of Law, compelled to honor and sustain it.


NICELY SAID!



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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screw
IRS
bush
cheney
nsa
cia
black government
alien controlled humans
and all the other parasites



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by C0le
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Thanks.

If it can not be paid back ever, how is it possible for the debt to decrease?

There must be a lowest critical value that it can get down to. Can you tell us what it is?

Is the debt it ALWAYS getting higher, or is it possible to begin to balance it?

Does the interest that the US pays to the Federal Reserve also increase as the GDP increases?

There must be some critical low in relation to the amount of money being circulated. Can you provide us with figures?




Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the
power to coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof.


Federal Reserve notes are not money. They are paper. Loophole. McDonals. Supermarkets. They don't have anything to do with the Constitution.

The constitution has allowed for this, so what does it say about the constitution? It is a living document. Perhaps the founding fathers realized that gold and coined money would not suffice forever?



The problem being is that congress has given this power away to a Private
Central bank, This bank is known to us as the Federal Reserve, Some would and do believe that the Federal Reserve is a part of the United States Government, It is not, It is a privately owned institution operated by various share holding banks and bankers.


Yes, banks are usually privately owned. If they were not then they would be government run and socialist.




The Federal Reserve prints money backed by nothing out of thin air, then
loans it to our Government at interest, this means for every dollar our
Government borrows, comes a certain percentage of interest attached to it.


That's the whole point of the world economy - the US is not an isolated country. If everyone played by the gold standard then we would be stagnant. The dollar is not backed by a finate amount of gold anymore, but by the productivity of the American citizen and the economy.



This loan is the national debt.
Now again our Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve at
interest when it doesn't need to borrow anything as it has the powers to
create and regulate the value of money all on its own.


Sure, sure. Everything else just manifests out of thin air.



Now as the findings of the Grace commission have shown us, All of the
money from income taxes go directly to repaying this debt,


If income tax goes to paying the national debt, then how can local taxes do the same thing while paying for infrastructure and schools, etc...?

Should local taxes balance the federal budget?



Seeing as all of our money comes from this central bank, when we go to pay back this debt, Where do we get the money to pay for the interest from?


Then what does the Bureau of Printing and Engraving do? Is that controlled by the Federal Reserve?



This debt can never be repaid, It was never meant to be.
Congress has not only given away its power to create money to Private
bankers, but also the power to regulate the value of it.


When you borrow a dollar from your credit card company at 12% interest, how is it possible that you can pay back $1.12?



I've sent numerous long well researched letters to ALL of my state representatives, regarding various subjects and received in return long thought out replies and satisfactory answers to my inquires...

Want to see a few samples of what I received from my Tax, IRS, Federal Reserve letters?


I respect that. Why do you think you have not received any positive replies? Do you think they are in on the conspiracy?



The funny thing about flag wavers such as yourself is you use "pay your taxes" as a general term as if we somehow don't pay or don't wan to pay all Taxes, This is completely ignorant and contradictory to everything we try to explain to simple minded people, We do pay the taxes that support this country every day, When we fill up our tanks or go through a toll... etc, etc, etc...


What would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?

Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?



The income tax doesn't Supportthis country.
Indirect local Tax support EVERY piece of infrastructure and security in your State and cities...


Doesn't it support the country from the wrath of the Federal Reserve?

What happens if the U.S stops diverting its money to pay off the Federal Reserve Debt?

[edit on 27-4-2008 by logician magician]

[edit on 27-4-2008 by logician magician]



posted on Apr, 27 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by logician magician
Thanks.

If it can not be paid back ever, how is it possible for the debt to decrease?

There must be a lowest critical value that it can get down to. Can you tell us what it is?

Is the debt it ALWAYS getting higher, or is it possible to begin to balance it?

The debt could be stopped, If Our Government stops borrowing money, Stops spending money it doesn't have, Stops funding third world enemies, stops funding third world enemies of our enemies, stops wasting money in general...


Does the interest that the US pays to the Federal Reserve also increase as the GDP increases?

There must be some critical low in relation to the amount of money being circulated. Can you provide us with figures?

Not now, I could have about 6 months ago when I was into this stuff but I've all but given up on it, I'm just waiting.


Federal Reserve notes are not money. They are paper. Loophole. McDonals. Supermarkets. They don't have anything to do with the Constitution.

www.merriam-webster.com...
www.merriam-webster.com...



The constitution has allowed for this, so what does it say about the constitution? It is a living document. Perhaps the founding fathers realized that gold and coined money would not suffice forever?

No the Constitution did not allow for this the founders warned against fiat money, Our monetary system was meant to revolve around sound money, Paper money was never intended to be the money, only a receipt for it, Meaning the paper was not the money itself as it is now, When one received the "receipt" he could hold on to it, or go have it exchanged for the GOLD or SILVER that it represented, That GOLD or SILVER was your property, you could do whatever you wanted to do with your property.
You don't own Federal Reserve notes, you rent them. .



Yes, banks are usually privately owned. If they were not then they would be government run and socialist.



"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)



"The system of banking is a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity is but swindling futurity on a large scale." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)



"The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)



"Paper is poverty... It is not money, but the ghost of money." (Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)



"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance." (James Madison speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America)




"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.

A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation therefore, and all our activities, are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
(President Woodrow Wilson, after having broken campaign promises and betrayed his country by signing into law the Federal Reserve Act)





Sure, sure. Everything else just manifests out of thin air.

According the the Constitution this the the power they have.



If income tax goes to paying the national debt, then how can local taxes do the same thing while paying for infrastructure and schools, etc...?

Should local taxes balance the federal budget?

Local taxes pay for your local infrastructure, States are contrary to popular belief and current deviation from the Constitution, Countries unto themselves, The Federal Government has very little power within the State.



Then what does the Bureau of Printing and Engraving do? Is that controlled by the Federal Reserve?


Constitutionally? No, Technically? yes.

The bureau prints Federal Reserve notes, The issuance of those notes is controlled by the Central Bank.


When you borrow a dollar from your credit card company at 12% interest, how is it possible that you can pay back $1.12?


This debt only works at highest level, It doesn't work with your debts as you're not borrowing ALL the money, Only a small portion of whats already in circulation,


I respect that. Why do you think you have not received any positive replies? Do you think they are in on the conspiracy?

I don't even care if I receive a positive reply, Simply a real reply and not a "thanks for writing" BS cop out, In on the conspiracy? No I just don't think they know the answers, Or they know enough not to open the Pandora's box.



What would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?

Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?

Just read about what they do to individuals who stop paying, It's not hard to imagine what they'd do if we all did.



Doesn't it support the country from the wrath of the Federal Reserve?

Its really sad this is even an issue, It's like paying a bully to not kick your ass...


What happens if the U.S stops diverting its money to pay off the Federal Reserve Debt?

It'll just stop the debt.


[edit on 27-4-2008 by C0le]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by logician magicianWhat would happen to the United States - i.e. the people - if they quit paying interest to the Federal Reserve?

Would the Globularist Army take over the United States or send them into a depression?


What is really scary is that our military is really at the mercy of the military industrial complex. Without which our military would suffer greatly. Aerospace, automotive, applicance, and computer manufacturing are all handled by multinational corporations. Which means that even if our country decided to revolt, even if our military fully supported the revolt, the multinationals would survive and starve our military for ammunition, replacement parts, other types of supplies, and new technology. Our "new government" wouldn't be able to successfully respond to the crisis. How could it? How could we?

Our country has even lost control over most of its food production. Ever hear of Monsanto?

The United States simply does not have its own manufacturing sector. Unlike Russia, China, Japan, and nearly all of Europe. Our already stretched too thin military would only be able to successfully defend our borders for a limited period of time. Without support from the Federal Reserve, banks, and the military industrial complex (aerospace and oil) -- our military effectively ceases to operate and exist. We have bases all over the world which would cease operation almost immediately should the agencies I've mentioned pull the plug. No amount of political force would be able to prevent it.

Thomas Jefferson was right. Every single quote that C0le posted is 100% prescient and accurate, as we can all verify today. When C0le says that they have us by the balls, that remark literally refers to our future -- our reproductive legacy.



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by k3456789
screw
IRS
bush
cheney
nsa
cia
black government
alien controlled humans
and all the other parasites


What about leeches - they contributed quite a bit to medical science at one point but they ended up as nothing other than expensive beautification techniques for the rich and famous (ever hear of using a leech to get rid of those sags under your eyes? *shudders*).

Okay, i'm being pedantic.

[edit on 28-4-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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Cole: God bless you sir, and I mean that with the utmost sincerity and heartfelt truth.

Those of us who have the wisdom to know how ignorant we have been realize the problems in the world... the question we have to ask ourselves is can we afford to LIVE in the world they are creating?

Can we afford for our souls, our spirits to be slowly ground by the millstone of oppression... the endless weight of years without hope to crush down around us?

Can any of us afford to look our children in the eyes and realize that they won't have it any better than we did, that they'll have it worse and that they'll never know what true freedom is?

Can we afford not to die for freedom?



posted on Apr, 28 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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Television and Hollywood, the 'press' and journalists everywhere have participated, in ignorance and hubris, in conditioning us to believe that a 'hero' or 'party' or 'blessed event' will somehow rescue us. That is why most sit in wonder, watching as we circle the drain.

Some think we have a say, that is truly the saddest part.



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