CPS Questioning Children At Polygamist Compound, Could This be Another Waco Incident?

Commentary:
Personally, I do not go along with this group's violation of Texas State Laws. However, if they are guilty of a crime, then file charges accordingly, arrest them accordingly. But this show of military-type threat, SMACKS of impending martial law, or another Waco /Ruby Ridge Incident Massacre. And THAT, I do NOT go along with. Boo, on you, Texas!

An FBI agent and an other law enforcement officials walk into an entrance to the temple at the 'Yearning For Zion' Ranch, home of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Eldorado, Texas, Tuesday, April 8, 2008.

news.yahoo.com...


Anyone have any ideas as to why the FBI is involved here? From what I have read, no interstate laws were violated. The only firearms found were hunting rifles. What gives?

This is a comment made by one of the women from the compound. Seems that she, among others, feels that CPS has been less than honest,

The state is accusing the sect of physically and sexually abusing the youngsters and wants to strip their parents of custody and place the children in foster care or put them up for adoption. The sheer size of the case was an obstacle.

"Quite frankly, I'm not sure what we're going to do," Texas District Judge Barbara Walther said after a conference that included three to four dozen attorneys either representing or hoping to represent youngsters.

Brenda and others were critical of CPS, saying the agency misled them as to what was to happen Monday, weren't told why the children were removed from the compound and given inaccurate messages about opportunities to meet attorneys.

"We got to where we said, 'We cannot believe a word you say. We cannot trust you,'" she said.

www.usatoday.com...

I'm sorry folks, but I just don't get this at all. Seems that they are being persecuted as a group, rather than on an individual basis. Has every single child here been sexually and physically abused?

[edit on 16-4-2008 by sizzle]

reply to post by sizzle
It's about money. From the pictures,the kids are exactly what people who adopt children want. Anyone who dares to breathe a word about the haste with witch the children have been taken or the lack of due process will be judged as a dirty old pervert. Anyone with a scant wallet and adorable children should be terrified. If C.P.S. can take the children of a whole entire group of people based on a few I'll be it terrible allegations, then god help individuals who are falsely accused of perversion. The five hundred ton elephant in the living room is that children are abused in every way possible in foster homes.

reply to post by eradown


It certainly seems to be playing out that way, doesn't it?
And the strange part is; the non-existent girl who supposedly originated the complaints that set off the raid. I would venture a guess that she might never have existed.

There has been a very surprising update in the story of the Eldorado, Tx Polygamists. An arrest has been made of a 33 year old woman named Roseta Swinton. She is charged with making false accusations back in February, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
There is no proof yet if she might have been the caller, pretending to be a 16-year old girl, claiming to be raped and abused by a 50-year old husband. She is being investigated at this time for the possibility.
If you want to know more, there is a video on this webpage:
news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by sizzle

 

And the strange part is; the non-existent girl who supposedly originated the complaints that set off the raid. I would venture a guess that she might never have existed.

I had that same thought 2 days ago when, after they said they located her about 4 days ago, they came out and said they had not yet. You can pretty much gaurantee it was all BS... at best, they had someone make the call; a shill, if you will.

And from the above linked article:

Polygamous-sect hearing in Texas descends into farce

Texas District Judge Barbara Walther struggled to keep order as she faced 100 lawyers in her 80-year-old Tom Green County courtroom and several hundred more participating over a grainy video feed from an ornate City Hall auditorium two blocks away.
The hearing disintegrated quickly into a barrage of shouted objections and attempts to file motions, with lawyers for the children objecting to objections made by the parents' attorneys. When the judge sustained an objection to the prolonged questioning of the state trooper, the lawyers cheered.

Upon another objection about the proper admission of medical records of the children, the judge threw up her hands.
"I assume most of you want to make the same objection. Can I have a universal, `Yes, Judge'?" she said.
In both buildings, the hundreds of lawyers stood and responded in unison: "Yes, Judge."
But she added to the chaos as well.
Walther refused to put medical records and other evidence in electronic form, which could be e-mailed among the lawyers, because it contained personal information. A courier had to run from the courthouse to the auditorium delivering one document at a time.
"We're going to handle this the best we can, one client at a time," Walther said.

One guess as to who is most likely footing the bill for all these lawyers Prime example of how screwed up our court system is and the incredible amount of wasted money going to all these vultures (lawyers). The whole situation is a farce. Yes, I don't doubt there are some crimes which have been committed, but as you basically said, just make your arrests and move on. Why all the show of force? Why all the heavy artillery? Hate to say it sizzle, but Sat. April 19 is approaching quickly...

reply to post by RabbitChaser


Yes RabbitChaser,
I'm having, 'CPS Revisited,' here.
Does anyone think for one second that if this whole thing is found to be a hoax, initiated by this Colorado Springs woman, that CPS is going to back off and say, "Oops, sorry. Go back to normal." (?)
Heck no, they will not. They are itching to destroy these people completely.
Did anyone notice how nice this compound was? Bet it's worth a lot of money if it gets seized by the state on trumped up charges.

About three dozen of the women who returned to the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ranch spoke out Monday, after 11 days in temporary shelters. They said in interviews that police surrounded them Monday and gave them a choice between returning home, or relocating to a women's shelter.

"It just feels like someone is trying to hurt us," said Paula, 38, who like other members of the sect declined to give her full name.

"I do not understand how they can do this when they don't have a for sure knowledge that anyone has abused these children."

www.time.com...

Notice the statements that I put in 'bold.' This is exactly what I am thinking. It just sounds like some type of scam to me. Initiated by the PTB.

[edit on 18-4-2008 by sizzle]

reply to post by sizzle
[moreToday the Texas Rangers arrested a thirty-three year old Colorado Springs woman for the hoax that got 416 children thrown into foster care. The hoaxers name is Rozita Swinton. I am very curious to know why a woman living in filth rich Colorado Springs had an ax to grind with an obscure cult living in dirt poor west Texas. I wonder what groups Swinton associates with. She didn't pick the cult out of the telephone book.The state needs to get off its high horse and return the kids before one of them is molested or abused in a foster home. This is unbelievable!

Polygamy Trail Leads to Colorado
Texas Rangers participated in the arrest of a Colorado woman who allegedly pretended to be a girl locked in a basement. The Rangers were in the state as part of their investigation into the Texas polygamy custody battle, local police told ABC News.
Colorado Springs police said they arrested Rozita Swinton last night on local charges of pretending to be a girl locked in a basement, claiming abuse and calling authorities for help. Jessop told ABC News that she -- at the direction of Texas Rangers -- began recording those calls in the past two weeks and that the Rangers were able to trace them to Colorado Springs, where the arrest was made.

It took 2 weeks to pin-point a trace on the calls? Anyone know if this is 'dragging ones feet' in a situation like this? More BS to buy more time to get set up for...?
There is a pic of her at that article.

Here's related:

Texas law enforcement travels to Colo. in polygamist probe
Rozita Swinton, 33, was arrested Wednesday by Colorado Springs police on a misdemeanor charge of false reporting to authorities. The arrest related to an incident that occurred in Colorado Springs in February.
"(Rangers) notified us that they were coming here for their investigation regarding her," Arms said. "We then brought our case to conclusion by arresting her."
Police said the Texas authorities left Colorado without filing their own charges against Swinton.
Swinton's case has been sealed by a judge. Gail Warkentin, the chief deputy district attorney for the 4th Judicial District, said the judge's name was not available because it is contained in the sealed documents.

Something just doesn't seem right with that right there, sizzle

And an unrelated article to the above, but related to the on-going story...

Texas polygamist sect is accused of indoctrinating girls
Girls in the west Texas polygamous sect enter into underage marriages without resistance because they are ruthlessly indoctrinated from birth to believe disobedience will lead to their damnation, experts for the state testified Friday at a custody hearing for 416 youngsters.
Perry testified that the girls he interviewed said they freely chose to marry young. But he said those choices were based on lessons drilled into them from birth.
"Obedience is a very important element of their belief system," he said. "Compliance is being godly; it's part of their honoring God."

Well... this just solidifies their excuse for starting this mess.

[edit on 4/18/2008 by RabbitChaser]

Again the CRIMES perpetuated by CPS & LAW enforcement AGAINST the people are overall worse than any crimes done in that neighborhood.

Tell me how does the government put together such a big raid, without knowing the phone call they used as a premis was a HOAX? I suggest they did know, however it seems using false premises is the status quo for law enforcement these days.

They could have traced the phone call & known it did not originate from that campus. Now I'm sure they're going to lie to cover their tracks - must be a Texas official thing. We all know about Bush and the reason for war as well as all the phony convictions done by the corrupt Texas court system.

Now the head of CPS in Texas has been questioned about the HOAX that was used to allow the government to Kidnap over 400 children, she said on CNN " so what if it was a hoax, there were lots of SARA's (the fake caller) there, blah blah blah".

Maybe they can spend a bunch of Texas oil revenue taxes defending themselves for lying to the world again. I hope Texas taxpayers get bled dry until they quit hiring criminals in their government.

So, once again the premise used by the government to raid peoples homes was false, but since they found a couple things out of order it's okay. (A few girls under 18 are pregnant)

That bitch heading CPS in TEXAS should hang from a tree, as far as I'm concerned.

While I don't agree with what goes on in that church campus, I find the governments response of using a fake phone call for help to implement it's plans to destroy these families and their religious campus despicable and criminal in itself.

While there may be a few borderline under 18 girls pregnant, Ive heard it's less than a dozen (4-8?) out of hundreds of families, would they have similar findings if they arrested people in normal neighborhoods?

Compared to other crimes that go on in non church neighborhoods, I'd say the people there in the campus did not have it as bad as the government or angry ex-members imply.




[edit on 18-4-2008 by verylowfrequency]

This situation makes me soooo angry! And what really gripes me is that the PTB will get away with this.
If I were not in a post-surgical and non-transportation situation, I would be out there on my soap-box, shouting from the rooftops. Where are the citizens of Texas on this issue? If they do not get involved, it might be their kids next. You don't have to be in a cult to get your kids yanked. A wrong address will do.

[edit on 18-4-2008 by sizzle]

reply to post by verylowfrequency


These people must not pay attention to their surroundings much. How many girls are under 18 getting pregnant/having kids every day...

I just talked with someone today who has a relative who works with ATF -- that's as specific as it got -- this persoan said his relative is not working this weekend, however, I neglected to think to check if this is a rarity. If so, maybe getting some people off the job who aren't really in the loop

I forgot in my post that I don't agree with the title of this thread that compares this as another WACO.

In WACO the government went in the wrong way & then fumbled the ball on multiple occasions.

The inept LEO's in WACO were so frustrated that they literally created a scorched earth in their wake and were at the very least indirectly responsible for burning innocent American children alive.

So, the LEO's representing the government allowed or created the scenario where children were burned to death, in order to protect them from being abused.

I suppose in that respect (the government making matters worse), this case is similar, however no children have been reported to have died or been abused by CPS or their cronies, yet.

I sincerely hope Janet Reno and everyone else responsible for WACO pay in hell for eternity once they leave earth.

I give credit to the LEO's for not making another WACO, however they still dropped the ball before they even began - again.



[edit on 18-4-2008 by verylowfrequency]

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Hi there VLF,
People should really pay attention to punctuation. There is a question mark at the end. When I posted this article, it was breaking news, and all the women and children hadn't been gotten out. No one knew which way this situation would go. Okay?

reply to post by verylowfrequency
The problem in Texas is that the judge and CPS in this case are out of control. Even if that lying vain CPS lady were struck dead by lightening the state would find another person just like her to take her place. I think our colleges produce socialist yes men and women like salt. I'm sorry for those mothers and their children. The Judge has decided that if she stall for two months everyone will forget that CPS stole children based on the word of an obvious hoaxer.

reply to post by sizzle


I realize that & I don't hold it against you. However WACO was a big thing to me and I remember it quite well as I watched much of it on television and a part of me and my trust died that day when I saw that fire and when the LEO"S blocked fire trucks from responding ........and will forever be disgusted by it and it was/is a cornerstone for mistrust of what I see as criminals who have infiltrated our government & law enforcement who clearly don't represent our best interest. So, failing to mention it would be a sin, to me.

[edit on 18-4-2008 by verylowfrequency]

reply to post by eradown


I completely agree. It seems some people believe it's their job to impose their values on us and they have hijacked our government agencies to implement their agenda.

What they have done is essentially kidnapped all the kids in the neighborhood, because one house on the block had abuse.

The judge refuses to release any children and is implementing DNA testing for everyone.



[edit on 18-4-2008 by verylowfrequency]

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I lived in very close proximity to Waco, when that went down, also. I don't think locale would have mattered that much. The horror of that will never leave me either. It is inexcusable.
Someone on the board compared Janet Reno with Nero, who fiddled while Rome burned. Take a look at Reno's name. Nero=Reno.