Originally posted by Duality
As much as we'd all love free energy, I just don't think it exists.

Ok.

These theories don't even make sense - if the government is willing to kill to get these people taken out, why don't they take down these videos?

Why don't dictators in various countries not kill EVERYONE that opposes them instead of just those they think they can get away with?

Why don't they kill every single part of the theory so that there simply aren't sources of information on it, so that nobody can pick up where others left off?

Because that would require total information control which would invalidate the basic premise that people in the western world are living in 'free' societies where they have freedom of speech and the right to discuss all things they choose to. When people senses such controls it just becomes harder to propagandize them as they start to realise your power and lose faith in the system. When that happens you have to physically terrorize them to keep them in line and at that point they start shooting back which wakes up those who believe they are living in 'free' society. Russian dignitaries have often commented on how in Russia no one believes a damn thing the official newspapers and broadcasters say because of the relative crudeness of the message. In the end you have to choose between physical violence and information management and as may or may not been obvious democratic struggle in various nations have made obvious internal state terrorist and violence all but impossible.

It's very inconsistant. People always say it's because if they took them down it'd be 'too obvious' or something like that, but come on we're saying already that they're killing people for it.

I would say that they have created such a good illusion of freedom and have managed information so well they can now terrorize only the people they like while retaining the ability to maintain credibility with the public in general. If you can convince people that they are entirely 'free' to investigate and practice what they like they will believe you when your institutions call some ideas 'crazy' and will believe that it really just is 'coincidence' that certain groups of investigators/scientist/activists are met with fatal 'accidents' at a much higher rate than the general public

Seems extremely unlikely that any of this carries any weight. Also, do the laws of physics even allow free energy of this sort to be produced?

It depends entirely on who's laws you choose to believe and if those laws in fact deal with the question!

Surely when these laws were being discovered there was no way they could've connected it to future free energy devices and thought "oh jeez we'd better change the laws or otherwise people will see free energy is possible!".

It's all so silly.

You can in fact misrepresent a generally useful and accurate law for your own ends and this is generally how talk of free energy is being suppressed. Since the general public hardly understands these laws or their implications in general it's quite easy for suitably indoctrinated university graduates to tell everyone what is and isn't possible while not even realising that they are serving as the gatekeepers for true understanding of those laws. It is always best to co-opt large tracts of legitimate knowledge to do your bidding and thus gain the credibility that a few unqualified known government spokesperson/agents never could.

Basically your argument rest of the presumption that the means of population and information control does not evolve as people of this planet become better educated and more active in realising their own goals. It is for this reason that you consider the general absence of open terrorism and violence as some kind of evidence that suppression does not happen.

Stellar

Originally posted by jprophet420
This is not to say that I do not believe we cannot find free energy, simply that it cannot be pulled out of 'thin air'.

You seem to have the idea that Dark Energy is the electrons in the air, whereas, in fact, it is what is between all those particles. It is a probabilistic animal, creating virtual particles constantly, and from this creation we can draw energy forth.

The "how" has been worked out by a number of people, and many had "accidents," committed "suicide," or had "heart attacks." And some number were bought out and silenced.

So in a sense, it is "thin air" out of which Dark Energy can be made to flow.

Originally posted by TheOracle
Well it's complicated. You could manage not getting shot and putting your invention on the global market. But you will get so much BS from everybody else it wouldn't viable, since there is little to no profit to be made.
For free energy you need big governments and companies behind you, and this my friend is unlikely to happen because our society is based on greed, not compassion.

If you get far enough along to bring your invention to market, no one will be tossing BS your way, because by then, it is a proven concept. But believe me, if an invention even looks like it's going to have funding for production, the goons will be all over it.

Where the BS comes in is right at the get-go, making the production phase a dream because no investors will come forth. If that is all they accomplish, they succeed.

Originally posted by easynow

not sure really but drilling into the earth just dont sound good...lol

sure would be an interesting process to harness that...not really sure how they could do it ?

Well you wouldn't want to drill deep enough to create a volcano. Just enough for things to start getting toasty, say in the 500 degree F range or so.

Popular Mechanics had a great article on how this could be done, see "Alaska's Energy Surprise", Feb. 2008 issue, page 65. Sorry (and interestingly) I didn't find the article on PM's web site...

In summary, a system in Chena Hot Springs Resort, AK, is pulling up hot water and powering the community with it. To quote Gwen Holdmann, the mechanical engineer from the article, "You know that woman who sued McDonald's over getting burned by a cup of coffee? The coffee was way hotter than the water we're using for geothermal power generation".

You wouldn't need hot springs for this; the idea is to install piping deep enough to use the earth as a boiler. Come to think of it, you don't even need the Earth; almost any adequate heat source would work. How warm are spent nuclear fuel rods?

There are probably better ways to convert heat into electricity, but this struck me as a compelling proof-of-concept.

Free energy does exist and it's abundant in many forms. The part where the cost comes in is converting it to power things with very specific requirements like electronic devices.

I live in a vast country where many people are forced to live 'off the grid' due to isolation and they use a combination of wind & solar as their source of energy and I know that they outlay at least twice as much cash per kW.h as people connected to the grid over the life of their setups even though the raw energy they collect is free.

Say I offered a system that used this 'free' energy to provide a typical modern domestic household demand of 3000 kWh per quarter and capable of delivering 4kW peak demand for 2 hours/day and the whole system had a service life of 20 years. My price for such a system would be around the $50000 mark so the question is - would you disconnect from the grid for the satisfaction of being clean & green knowing that you're paying roughly double for the end product?

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Free energy does exist and it's abundant in many forms. The part where the cost comes in is converting it to power things with very specific requirements like electronic devices.

Check out the Joe Cell. If one was attached to a gasoline generator, electricity would pour out with very little cost initially. Half a day would likely pay for all parts and labor.

It would all be so easy. If I had any money at all, and a car to put it on, I would be running my car on a Joe Cell.

Dark Energy is the key.

Another potential source of energy is from sonoluminescence effects but I don't see any breakthrough announcements about harnessing it as yet. I've actually witnessed and felt the 'small' explosions that indicate some possibility of a fusion effect caused by cavitation voids collapsing and we've all seen the erosion it causes on the hardest stainless steel impellers as an indication of the energy released (& wasted).

Originally posted by gottago
On a totally different note, I've always been intrigued with Tesla and his Wardenclyffe project

Tesla should be the patron saint of electrical engineering as he invented and virtually created the system we're so reliant on over 100 years later. He wanted to 'pump' energy into the earth so it could be extracted at any point on the globe which was a problem for his investors like J P Morgan (like how to meter transmitted energy).

He also invented radio (wireless transmitted energy) - Marconi worked for him and initially took the credit but things were corrected in legal action in 1932. His groundwork also resulted in television.

If anyone was capable of cracking the free energy problem it was Tesla and perhaps he did. We also have to take into account the scale of electrical demand growth since he invented the polyphase AC system as he envisioned the hydro scheme at Niagara falls as being sufficient to power all demand for electricity back then.

Hi Everyone!!

Wow.. nice thread. I really really hope free energy does not get you killed otherwise I'm going to have some people knocking on my door soon.. Hahaha.
Seriously though. I have been experimenting with magnets and have come across a few orientations of magnets in motion that have a great potential for creating more power than is put into it. I actually just recently contacted an important organization about this last night. I guess if I turn up dead in the near future you will have your answer to your question. I am not necessarily saying I have created free energy, but I definitely have came up with some stuff that is worth developing. I am not bringing this up because I want publicity or anything like that. Since I've been doing this stuff I have always wondered if there is a possibility that someone will actually try to suppress me and what I should do about my ideas.. 1. Keep them a secret in fear of death? 2. Keep them in secret in fear of someone stealing my idea? or 3. Come out to everyone and just tell them about my ideas! I guess letting people know what I'm doing sooner or later would the best in case that something did happen people would know.
Also, I am not claiming to break the laws of physics here I am using rare earth magnets and they do take a large electrical energy input when they are manufactured. So there is energy being put into it, it just lasts for a very long time. (Until the magnets wear out... years.)
Maybe I'll start a thread soon explaining the whole thing. I am planning on doing this on an open source basis. Meaning.. that people will be able to duplicate my designs. (I see it as the only way to actually make this take off. If I ask for money people will think I am a "scammer")
We are in need of an energy revolution...
(Please.. no one start being negative here. There ARE ways to produce more energy than is initially put into it, but just shooting them down will get us no where. Do you really want to pay $3 - $4 for a gallon of gas for the rest of your life? I sure as hell don't. Think about how awesome it would be to be able to drive to California from the east coast for free, just cause you want to see the Pacific Ocean.)

Peace