Originally posted by Gigatronix
I will just say this about Dawkins. He is not one of my heroes, nor do I care to listen to his ideas, because they don't reinforce my own.
Actually I haven't read or watched his work past snippets here and there. I still get accused of worshiping him though. The first time I heard of him
was from radical christians.
As far as BW's videos go, they are all about shock value and nothing more. They were tasteless, biased, served no purpose other than to drive
the wedge further bewteen two groups of people. Unfortunately I can't respond with my own disgusting videos of people burning at the stake, being
slaughtered by crusaders, and various other atrocities because we didnt have video cameras back then. Even if we did I probably wouldnt do it, because
I dont believe it would prove anything or help the situation.
The gore in those vids has nothing to do with athiesm.. it's just put in there to misslead and offend people.. it's nice a mod put a warning [of
gore] there and all but a bit late.. it only made the T&C alot
At least with the crusades and burnings there is historical record
that it actually happened. The pope actually apologised
for it so
people can't pretend atheists are somehow "air brushing" that in.. anymore than we "air brush" in the millions of dollars of compensation the
vatican is paying out to thousands of sex abuse victims. How about abuse in orphanges as well? how about the stolen generation in Australia commited
in co-operation of government and missionaries? How about the vatican formally endorsing
hitler's political power? All these atrocities
are on public
and on church record. What are atheists being accused of airbrushing in? We do not deny there are atrocities commited in
the name of communism.. the only "air brushing" that is happening is some radical christians trying to convince people that atheism and communism
are the same thing. Thats not only willfully ignorant but false and no amount of propoganda, gory videos, bs stats [..catholic girls less likely to
commit suicide than abuse victims
] or biggoted posts will make it true. NO communist leader has ever said "I do this in the name of
atheism.".. [which is just a non belief in deities] however plenty of world leaders have mentioned god in the speaches.
This following post is very relevent to the communist/atheist misconception but had gotten buried on the last page so I am quoting the whole thing as
there have not been many first hand accounts in this thread on communism.
I sincerely hope it does not get ignored as she/he made some very valuable points based on actual experience
that should be embraced at ATS.. not swept aside in preference for the hateful ravings on youtube.
Originally posted by realshanti
Okies I'm going to burst a bubble here - not all communists are athiests - I know this from very personal experience....I am not an atheist and never
was one yet I was for many years a "communist"...as were many other believers during the years I was involved - this is even more true in central
and south amercia...I organized among many folks from those regions...now I am no longer affiliated, because in the final analysis I could not
reconcile the means to justify the ends - but let me tell you why I and so many other believers were in fact part of the dreaded "C"
movement....because our governments failed to do the right thing, failed to alleviate the suffering of the poor, the disenfranchised, failed to oppose
dictators whose crimes would reach from here to the moon, failed at every turn to practice the "christian" principles they flapped on about
endlessly but never exhibited in practice....we felt there was no where else to turn except to armed struggle....why do you think Bishop Romero was
shot down in cold blood??? Because he assissted the rebels, gave them sanctuary and spoke for the poor....
What I have found is that God's people are found in every corner of the world and of every description - there is no template for the sons of God -
even those who call themselves athiests may one day find themselves of a different mind, a spiritual mind....Hence " I have sheep you know not of"
says Yeshua.....bigwhammy, I truly appreciate your concern for the truth of the gospel, you are a fierce warrior for the truth - but please temper
this with the knowledge that while sowing the seed is yours to do, the harvest is not yours to control...
with great Love in Christ
Very interesting post realshant. Personally speaking I understand the "idea" behind communism but can't agree with it as I believe it is
idealistic. Human beings are naturally corrupt, selfish and a hierarchial species and are incapable of having a truly fair
system.. "fair government" is an oxymoron to me.
[edit on 30-6-2008 by riley]