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Originally posted by neformore
What happened to "love thine enemy" and "turn the other cheek" (forgive me if I paraphrase wrongly, its been years since I read the major religious texts)
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
It is a lie to say that religion is the cause of the worlds evil. I have demonstrated that effectively with the acts of communist governments who take an atheist stance officially. I don't like lies being disseminated in the name of reason.
Oh I see, because I am a Christian youthink you can invoke the Bible to say I am not allowed to have an opinion. Well that shows ignorance of the Bible.
Which also says...
"Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?"1 Corinthians 6:2
Originally posted by Clearskies
There have been LOTS of atheistic 're-education camps'!
Dawkins wouldn't be the first!
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Oh I see, because I am a Christian youthink you can invoke the Bible to say I am not allowed to have an opinion.
It bothers me because his main idea is to convince people faith causes the worlds violence and weaker members of my faith maybe attacked and disillusioned because of it.
On the this very board ATS, I have been repeatedly called an idiot, a sheep, a moron, intolerant, a bigot, more than I care to recall. I have seen Ashley, and Clearskies, Christian Voice, idle_rocker all treated the same way. Usually with no moderator intervention. I welcome NGCs new tougher stance in the CiR forum. Dawkins lie just reinforces this behavior. It is a conspiracy to destroy peoples faith.
Again this moral relativism. I disagree. Should we just ignore hate speech by the KKK. Shouldn't black people just be confident in their worth?
He is speaking with a big megaphone. It deserves a public challenge. It would be irresponsible to ignore it.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
When the Bible says "saints" that refers to all Christians. Truly we are all equal
as believers because all fall short and need Christ.
The Catholics have misused the word to mean some are superior, not a biblical idea.
Kind of like you were a Latter Day Saint right?
Originally posted by neformore
Not at all. If I meant to say that, I'd say it quite clearly. I don't mince my words. I asked a question. There is a difference.
Which faith? Or all of them?
Again, which faith is it a conspiracy to destroy?
The thing is that the KKK went out and beat people/burnt them to death. I don't see that happening to christians.
In fact, given that the majority of the western world is comprised of predominently christian democracies, I fail to see how this guy can make much of an impact.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I hope he doesn't. In my own small way I want to diminish it. That's my personal conviction. But over 2 miilion books sold sounds like an impact to me.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I hope he doesn't. In my own small way I want to diminish it. That's my personal conviction. But over 2 miilion books sold sounds like an impact to me.
Originally posted by an3rkist
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I hope he doesn't. In my own small way I want to diminish it. That's my personal conviction. But over 2 miilion books sold sounds like an impact to me.
It's talk like this that makes me think the motives of the idea of this conspiracy are less than "denying-ignorance". Why do you care if he makes an impact? If people have free will, let them choose between Dawkins and you and whatever else. You've made your decision, let everyone else get as many choices as possible so they can be sure to make an educated one. Just because you're offended by what somebody says doesn't mean there's a conspiracy going on to destroy your own beliefs.
And like I said, I don't know why you're worried anyway. How many people who aren't already atheists actually read his book? Hardly any I bet...
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Why do you care what the Bible says about it, if you don't believe? That was Paul's letter the church in Corinth. He was simply encouraging them to take a stand.
We are actually obligated to speak out for our convictions. I consider it a moral obligation.
Originally posted by AshleyD
Neformore, I have seen your comments around ATS and you are the epitome of graciousness and tolerance.
However, speaking against propaganda does not make Whammy or the Christians on this thread judgmental, hateful, or 'non-cheek turning.' Should we stop posting our opinions on bigotry because we are Christians? Of course not.
hopefully atheists in the US can bring themselves out into the open more easily in future.
Originally posted by undo
If they weren't, who is paying for their atheist based educations, music, entertainment, and so on?
They run all the major institutions of the world, from science to technology to medicine and even many aspects of the military. No one wants them to die, just share the pulpit.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I hope he doesn't. In my own small way I want to diminish it. That's my personal conviction. But over 2 miilion books sold sounds like an impact to me.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I just reject the notion that faith is the cvause of the worlds violence. I think i have debunked that notion.