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reply posted on 7-3-2008 @ 06:41 PM by an3rkist
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Presidents have been going to the Bohemian Grove for a very long time. There's some good threads about it here on ATS. You can even see pictures of the effigy burned in the Cremation of Care. The Cremation of Care is probably a theatrical ceremony not unlike those used in Freemasonry, (only in the fact that it's theatrical and not a literal ceremony, not suggesting Masons perform mock human sacrifices.) The Cremation of Care is a tradition the members of the Bohemian Grove have been carrying on for over a hundred years, I believe. As the title suggest, the moral of the ceremony is that they "cremate" care, leave their worries behind, and just spend the two weeks having homosexual relations with each other while dancing around campfires completely whacked out on ecstasy. (Or so the rumors say...) It's meant to remind the members that politics and business should stay out of the Grove, though apparently they no longer take they advice.


reply posted on 7-3-2008 @ 09:04 PM by andre18
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This is how I see it….. If Bush and other presidents have been apart of this group called the Skull and Bones in which initiation happens at Yale (was it Yale? Well some university anyway) that then leads them to be accepted into the bohemian grove because of their initiation as a Skull and Bones member – then does that not mean the next president will also get into this club…? Hillary or Obama…..? which also begs the question did Hillary or Obama both join in the Skull and Bones in university?



reply posted on 8-3-2008 @ 08:56 AM by Rockpuck
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You don't have to be Skull and Bones to get into the Grove..

In fact you just need to be influential so yes, the next president will be a member because of his influence.. also money plays a big factor, but typically, money and influence go hand in hand.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 11:10 PM by Rockpuck
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"Cult" .. I don't see the Grove as being a Cult.. nor the Occult, or even "Pagan" by any means.. however I do wonder why many seem to think these people need to oblige by .. strict religious teachings.. you never know who may be a closet pagan lol..

Rich men doing eccentric things... surprising? No. If anything it shows they are Human compared to the stiff no-nonsense political light we see them in everyday .. in reality behind closed doors they may be entirely different.

But thats media. Nothing is personal anymore.


reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 01:04 PM by JoshNorton
Originally posted by andre18
Some stuff I’ve been thinking about…..

1. What does the All Seeing Eye represent to you as a mason personally?
Nothing in masonic terms. Not even sure there's one in my lodge as decoration. Certainly not prominent if there is. On a personal level, hell, I was a fan of the Illuminatus! Trilogy when I was younger, and got the Steve Jackson Games "Illuminati Membership Kit" with the lapel pin, bumper stickers, and other gag props. Still trying to tack down my Illuminati Special Ops black pin to add to my Scottish Rite cap, just for grins.

Ultimately, there are a LOT of cool symbols in masonry. I still think one of my favorites (often overlooked) is the 24" Gauge:
The twenty-four inch gauge is an instrument made use of by operative Masons to measure and lay out their work. But we, as Free and Accepted Masons, are taught to make use of it for the more noble and glorius purpose of dividing our time. It being divided into twenty-four equal parts, is emblematical of the twenty-four hours of the day; which we are taught to divide into three parts, whereby we find a portion for the service of God and a distressed worthy brother; a portion for our usual vocations, and a portion for refreshment and sleep.
—The Monitor of the Lodge


See, that's just cool. "Don't waste time, and use the time you do have wisely." Certainly a good way to lead your life.
2. How did the ‘masons are controlling the world’ conspiracy start?

I lean towards Nesta Webster's "World Revolution" (1921) as being one of the earliest conspiracy texts that I've seen that related masonry, the Illuminati and the French Revolution. There were probably a handful of texts prior to that though.

3. Is there a collection plate type thing in Masonry? Eg: donate to the cause…

In my lodge there's no regular collection. In the Scottish Rite, there are collection plates that get passed around at each meeting, with the suggestion that you put in "no more than you might spend frivolously in a day". So instead of super-sizing that big mac, toss a few dollars in the jar.

4. Is money an issue?

Do you mean, do you have to have a lot of money to be a mason? No. My money is pretty tight, with a house & a kid, and back in school, and only working part time, etc. You know, the daily grind and sob story for a LOT of people. I manage to pay my annual dues OK and recently when I was semi-unexpectedly inducted into the Knights of St. Andrew (a service group within the Scottish Rite), and I didn't have $30 for initiation (because I didn't know I was getting in that night), a brother paid my fee for me.

[edit on 3/10/2008 by JoshNorton]


reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 02:02 PM by pacificwind
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1) To me, personally, it represents concurrently geometry and a reminder to always continue my studies in the liberal arts (because I suck at math, but I'm pretty good in the rest of them!) and the all seeing eye of God, reminding me to square my actions and circumscribe myself within due bounds of all mankind (that part comes from ritual, but thats the personal meaning to me). That is JUST my person interpretation, and it is N O T what is taught in ritual. And that's OK, part of the great thing about masons is we can individually interpret the symbols.

2) I think it comes from the desire for people to make sense out of their surroundings. It is much easier to blame all the worlds problems on "the masons" rather than closely examining what is really going on. I have no idea what the actual historical source is, but this sort of thinking is the root of all mason conspiracies.

3) My blue lodge does pass around a "plate" for charity, with the understanding that since we do this every meeting that we are not all going to be throwing big money in, but a few dollars here or there.

4) I'm not sure what you mean. Is money something that people notice in the lodge? No. In fact most of us are poor, but someone or a group of people always steps up to fund charity efforts when the funding goes low.
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