Questions for masons

reply to post by andre18

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Sure, but there's a difference between your question:
and the idea that more modern men thought chivalry was romantic and wanted to dress-up and play knight. Evolution connotes "this is what they became, and there's an unbroken line between their order and the men using that name today", to which almost everyone is saying "no, we don't believe that to be true." Do some people today find the ideals of knighthood appealing? Sure. Do some people today like to dress up and play with swords? Sure. But are they making the same gestures, saying the same words and using the same same symbols as the men 700 years before them? Not necessarily.

I am a Masonic Knight Templar, and am Past Eminent Commander of my Commandery. The Order does not claim to be a lineal successor of the original Knights Templar. We simply try to emulate their chivalry and honor.

Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States

here are sone good questions for you masons out there , first of all if you're trying to make the world a better place to live in then maby you could start off buy petitioning fast food companies and junk food companies and local governments to not put poisons in the food and water we eat and if you have please provide some proof i think it would help your image alot more and as for the charrities you raise money for have you thought that they may be just as corrupt as the government themselves if you think about it, of all the billions of dollars the Susan G. Komen foundation has raised for the fight on breast cancer you would think it would't exist any more there should have been a cure years ago and as there is a cure (however not legal in america law states there is no such thing as cure for any disease) and i'm a strong believer in the cure is actually the prevention of disease please. I think some masons need to put away the the god complex for a minute and read W.D. Wattles essays on how to be rich and how to be great and Robert Colliers essays on faith then wow how suddenly would the masons be the greates foundation alive (possibly better than the catholic church its self )everyone would want to join even me !!! what the people need is not awareness of a disease but to prevent it. awareness only creats more of it." mother tereasa knew what was going on when she said ""i will never go to and anti war rally but when u have a peace rally i will be the first one there"". So please answer me this masons how are you helping to better mankind?please enlighten me.................

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reply to post by the basset hound

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OK... wow.. first off.. use paragraph breaks between topics. And periods.. they are nice to use as well..



Um. Whats that got to do with Masonry? .. Thats a personal issue.. I would write your congressman.



Thats a long sentance I hope its all one subject...... but um, just because money is spent on something, does not mean there is a technical ability that it can happen.. its just the hope that it will.. some charities are corrupt, sure, but not the majority.



I don't understand. What is a God complex?



I don't understand this either..

Masonry has many charitable organization (for instance Shriner hostpitals) but I believe you can Google a list or something.. sorry we don't do enough I guess..

I would like to appologize for not using proper punctuation, spelling, and paragraphing. If you didn't understand what i said then i must automatically assume you are..........never mind ...... Back to the important subject at hand.
If you dont know what a god complex is its when your ego becomes so big that you see yourself as god like which is very unmasonic i know.
I also agree that not all charity is bad in the sense of, if some one in you town dies and you donate some money to the family to help them get through their hard time. Large scale charities (ie. American Heart Association, Alzheimers Foundation, ect..) however are extremly corrupt they don't want to stop disease they want to further it. You want to talk about secret society conspiracies read 'Natural Cures They Don't Want You to Know About', the author goes in depth as to how corrupt these charities are.
I guess I just dont under stand what masons are trying to make better and how.
Please tell me how it's a personal prefrance to want poisons in readily available food and tap water. There was a report i saw and i cant remember where but it was talking about anti depressants found in tap water. If i cant just go into a drug store and get them, then why the heck should it be in the water provided to people at a price. According to every one i know the only thing that should be in water is 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom thats it and thing else should not be allowed to be called water. Besides if it's illegal to grow a plant that GOD put on this green earth then how is it legal to put chemicals in food and water?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just say that stopping people from eating Big Macs is more important than helping burn victims?

I'm not saying stop people from eating Big Macs,that would go aginst the will of GOD(I believe THE will of god is free will),but why cant we promote organic Big Macs that are full of nutrition and cancer preventing antoxidants and help millions of people and that way when that burn victim get burnt they spend less time healing because theye're extremly healthy. And if you "pride" yourself on helping people then then why not help as many people as you can. "It is never too late to be better than what you are". Life would be so much easier if we could make society a better place by presenting good choices and better ones instead of good ones and bad ones. I don't know a lot about being a mason but perhaps i shoud join and see what i can do about helping others on a large scale. Besides there are coffee cans at the gas station on the corner to help the local people who have had bad things happen to them. I know, I've put some there.

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IMO...

I think THIS is the crux of your problem. It was the crux of MY problem when I first arrived here.
I would back up, enter the list of Secret Society threads....and read, read, read.

I honestly think you will learn a lot more about that which you assail, than by leveling such abstract accusations in ignorance.

My $.02

reply to post by the basset hound

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Masonry is .. a charitable organization yes.. but more importantly.. its Masonry. Masons spend more time on ritualistic work then they do charity, and the spend more time operating their lodges then they do charity.. Charity is important, we donate all of our excess funds to the Special Olympics for example.. now.. whether you think the Special Olympics is corrupt.. is .. well your own personal issue.. I however believe we do a damn good job.. because without the Masons, the games would cease and many children who cannot compete in regular sports would never get an equal chance to show themselves.

Different states support different organizations.. it all depends on the grand lodge.. we also support our brothers.. there was a case recently in my area where a brother could not afford his (daughter?)'s funeral and we began raising funds to pay for it.. its personal with fellow Masons, perhaps not to much with the public (we also do habitat for humanity by the way)

annnyways... not sure what you where expecting. It also depends on the organization (rites and apendant bodies and so forth) because we also have the Shriner hospitals which are very well known. Though few know Shriners are Masons. I never did, until I joined Masonry ..

I think the simplest way I can explain it is that the degrees teach lessons. If the candidate absorbs those lessons, then there is a good chance that he will do things on his own to better himself. In this way, Masonry "makes men better," and thus, by extension, society as a whole.

If you make a person consciously trying to improve, then multiply that by whatever portion of Masons actually live by what is taught in Masonry (of course there are those who don't), you start to see the effect it can have on a community. Get it?

The rest (flouride, etc.) is up to whatever each person wants to do. Charity in that respect is not really organized, it's just encouraged. Most "charity" work is done through dues, fundraisers, and donations from the Brethren. Things like that.

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reply to post by The Axeman

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Well put. however it takes a bit of personal strength to follow through with the Masonic teachings.. no one is perfect, and we all make mistakes.. even the simplest understanding you went against your own teachings is enough to know that consciousness was installed in you, and your already becoming a better man.

Though so many are so surprised when a Mason does something wrong or is arrested.

I would lke to think I'm a good man and i do understand how possibly very good masons can get a bad name the same goes with the Marine Corps. What i don't understand is how some of the things the masons say kind of contradict each other, I appologize i cant give precise examples but things like "we are not a religion" yet you have to believe in god or be christian to become a mason. So you are telling me that if I'm buddist I cant become a mason, even though I am a good man?
I assure you I'm not buddist or any religion for that matter but i do strongly believe that there is a god (I believe HE is everthng everywhere at all times). I also think christians commonly believe that christ was god as buddists believe that budda was god and so on and so forth but budda nor christ ever once said "I am god ". I also don't think you are supposed to pray to Jesus but to god. I in no way mean to denounce Jesus of who he really is as I believe his teachings are commonly misunderstood. I will say it again that I think that alot of you really need to read "The Science of Becoming Rich" and "The Science of Being great" by W.D. Wattles And "The Secret of The Ages" by Robert Collier. Masons I challenge you to read these books as they show the true teachings of Jesus Christ.

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Good enough for me. If a Bhuddist (sp?) wanted to join a Lodge, I don't imagine he would be turned away, as they believe in a Higher Power.

Does that answer your question?

I believe the food group is called 'Vegetables', several servings a day will provide the nutrients and protection you mentioned. For future reference they are located near the bottom of the Food Pyramid, and no, before you ask, this pyramid is not Masonic.

Veggies arrent all that great for ya either when they have poisonous pesticides on them and are injected with toxic gasses to "keep them fresh". Thats why you should make the switch to organic. I did and life has never been better. All I'm asking is why set people up for failure. It may not be a masonic issue but why cant it be?


No one has looked at the ties between masons and nazis together co founding nasa (I dont mean all masons only a few) along with JPL?

reply to post by the basset hound

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Um. What proof that Nazis and Masons founded NASA. And what does that have to do with Masonry as an organization?

The Marines where founded by Masons. Not the organization.. but by individuals who happened to be Masons.

Comp spaz attack

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reply to post by Rockpuck

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I never knew that the Marines were started by masons but with that light on the subject there are certianly some similarities between the 2, both being brotherhoods and all. Most don't know this however about the marines, they are the only branch of military that is under direct command of the president(they dont need congressional approval to go to war) and not many people know the story of the Marines emblem, the eagle globe and anchor(and marines believe this story to be true also). I strongly believe that if the government was to do a militaristic take over of america, they will use Marines(hence the lyrics of the Marines Hymm "when the army and the navy have looked heavens scene you'll find your streets are guarded by United States Marines").

I don't think that the 'brotherhood' thing is unique to Marines and Masons. Any group of men looking to create a bond will appeal to the same bonds of fraternity. I'm sure anyone in the army, navy or air force would say as much. Last night, waiting for the GO train out from Union Station, a gaggle of CF (Canadian Forces for the uninitiated) lined up at the Mickey D's behind me and I had to suppress a smile at their youth and lack of worldliness. They're all so full of piss and vinegar at their being part of a fighting force but they have no clue of how youth and vigour is used against them by their elders. However, I digress.



Oy. Sure must suck to be a USian. That said, I'm sure the NRA'd give 'em a run for their money.