Religion is the great evil of mankind.

reply to post by Rockpuck


How was I changed?
Have you got a while?
That night, I cried like a baby. I felt Jesus all around me and his compassion.
The next morning I woke up and the first thing I noticed was that I didn't need a cigarette!
The next was that I didn't need drugs to 'get me going'. Then I didn't eat for three days.

I felt like a newborn (happy) baby!
I told my sister about it and she said, "You got saved!"
I didn't know What was what, except that I KNEW God was real and he wanted ME!

I grew in Christ. It's been 15 years, now.
I still don't do recreational drugs or smoke.
I've been married for 12 years. I've got three B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L children
(All) Because of Jesus.
He set me free, He didn't put me in bondage.




[edit on 20-2-2008 by Clearskies]

reply to post by Clearskies


Sounds rather frightening to me.

Anyways, as you described, you read the word (a product of man) and conformed to its teachings - thus controled through the words of the religion.

Not sure how else to say it to you.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Frightening???
How? Are you scared of having children, or something?

reply to post by Clearskies

I can't say that I have seriously looked into HAARP, I have read some things and I tried to watch a documentary (I think) with Martin Sheen, but it was incredibly bad quality and the audio was out of sync, so I ended up only seeing about 10 minutes of it.

Thank you for the link, I will look into it.


Regarding this post you said: I felt Jesus all around me and his compassion.

May I ask you why did you think it was Jesus? What lead you to believe it was Jesus?

Do not take me wrong! I love God. I believe in Our Creator God!

I also believe in the power of my governement.


My Government says Church and State are to be kept seprate. For good reason I'd say.

Is this the case? The Religious Right has taken over an entire party and it pimps it's religious properganda to get votes.

And I have to ask.

Is this Sepertation of Church and State?

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I meant the whole mental break down / religious .. possession if you will.

I dare anyone in this thread to walk into a church. listen to the pastors, talk to people there and come back and tell me that you experienced pure evil.

I mean come on guys. And you all say i'm excentric?

reply to post by jedimiller


Depends on the church, doesn't it? I've been to a few churches. I've walked out of about half of them in disgust.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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Depends on the church, doesn't it?

I've been to a few churches. I've walked out of about half of them in disgust.

Agreed, some of the rhetoric I have heard from pulpits I have found rather disturbing. What worries me most about Church of England services is the group subducation "forgive me lord I have sinned, I am imperfect, I am your humble servant" and so on. This focus on our perceived failings as human beings is completely arse about face, we should concentrate on what makes us remarkable and what we are good at. I have not left a church yet feeling loved, I usually leave feeling bemused and angry.

As for meeting christians, I agree that many christians are kind, compassionate and charitable, but there is nothing to suggest that they wouldn't be like this were they not christian, and yet most hold extraordinary views. A good friend of mine comes from a christian family, his mother is the nicest person I know and has been of great support to me during more difficult times, but becasue of her belief she is a vitriolic homophobe. Therein lies intolerance provoked by religion.

P.S. I focus on christianity because it is the religion I have personal experience of.

you guys also focus too much on the conquistas. that was Catholism. And, yes they did horrid things. Now, you guys are talking about religion being pure evil. Total rubbish.
I grew up catholic, but I am a born Christian. Me and my wife were baptized here in the "San Diego Church of Christ". There was nothing "evil" about going to church on sunday and praying. look, this is obvioulsy a move by the Atheits to destroy us again on the boards. But see, we have the ultimate power. there are more of us nice people here than not.

I can name a hundred more things are are more evil than religion.

1. Horror movies
2. George Bush
3. Osama Bin Laden
4. Rape
5. Murder
6. Stealing
7. drunk driving
8. Lust.


Religion is final on my list.

lets make some points:

religion is not bad. it is nothing bad to believe in some bright as a man who is willing to forsake his life simply because he cannot hurt others. forsake ... well in fact he was tortured, an possibly drank the vine of our sins. is like the sensation of guilt, brought forth by all committed sins and sins yet to be committed. in fact jesus was the weakest (in our common sense) human of all. but is that the real? or its something like we do not know what real power lies in?

witch comes down to the fact that it takes lot more power to forgive someone than to slay him. so who is weak?

our spiritual word was corrupted long before jesus.

so my questions:
how can a bible or any other single book reflect something so gracefull like god? even if it is holographic in nature.

if it dose than how much the information depends on the space behind the readers eyes?

why we let someone to tel us how to interpret the bible (or anyother book of that nature)?

why is that at the end times our payment will be brought forth, yet god is forgiving?

why do we fear god?

is really the church the most evil thing?

Originally posted by jedimiller
1. Horror movies

Really? I don't see anything evil about horror movies. Even if we were to take the most conservative Christian viewpoint that horror movies, heavy metal and video games are a bad influence on kids, those things would still only be responsible for a handful of deaths. You'd probably need a few million pairs of hands to count the deaths that religion is responsible for.

Originally posted by jedimiller
you guys also focus too much on the conquistas. that was Catholism. And, yes they did horrid things.

But Catholicism was the original form of Christianity surely (or at least among the first). So it follows that whatever form of Christianity you follow is an adaption (some would say perversion) of Catholicism. By saying that modern Christianity has moved on from the violent missionary tactics of Catholicism, you're effectively saying that Christianity had to be watered down from it's original violent potency.

Aside from the Conquistadors, the Protestant Church is also guilty of disgusting conversion policies whereby it would send missionaries to 'unconverted' place in the world and systematically destroy those people's ancient traditions, monuments and relics. This happened as late as 100 years ago and if nothing else, this eradication of art, knowledge and tradition demonstrates an evil beyond comprehension. I'll never forgive the Church for this.

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Horror movies?

Well, that depends. Are we talking about hte Saw franchise? I have to wonder about hte outright "toture porn" types of movies, yeah. But otherwise?

All horror films are evil. Why is it ok to see someone get cut up and killed in a horror movie but not in real life? Because those movies, video games and things of violence in the media are the pure evil. not religion. You don't see pastors telling people to go kill and spread pure evil. But in films you do see that.

And I'm talking about religion today. not religion a 100 years ago.

reply to post by encoder


and now the answers:

we are weak, with our nuclear bombs weapons and with any single stone we can trow. we lack the wisdom for it.

the bible does not reflect god. Gutenberg was conducting the work of the devil, they say,.. he conducted just a new mean in witch the devil can express himself. and he did beautifully.

even if the bible holds some shreds from god your pastor can twist you out of it. you in fact dont believe in god, you believe in a book and a priest. it has nothing to do with god.

we are willing to accept anything if fear is induced. every animal has a special almost mystical fear of fire, and thats why is hot in hell, thou id doesn't exists. you cant create a lie whit not a bit of truth behind it, and that is that he well come to bring our payment for living and DEAD alike. so if you die you are dead, and in common sense of time you stay thatway until resurrected.

i oppose to anyone that says that i am "harvest". my soul is mine to keep, not even god can take it from me, because that is me, and i live - more or less - by it. it does not meter when or where in time and space. in this place (universe) not even god can brake his rules, because his part of it.

we fear god because others than behold a power over us in the false name of his. and the others keep the power and the name.

tell me what is the reason of all wars? money ... money has become our religion. power ... only a both way religious man can have it. (9/11) revenge ... it is one of the direct opposite of jesus.
religion is to believe in something that does not exists. like money, it is just a piece of paper (or in romania plastic) and when others tell us what it is we believe it whithout questions, and thats keeping money functioning over us.

keep religion apart from the state, because the systems of the states are the control, the evil, the ability to cause harm (it does), the realm of lucifer. and why not take them together if nowdays religion has to become a part of his empire.
i mean, who the hell has the right to call himself the "duke" of god. careful pope, careful ... you'll have a ruff resurrection.

Originally posted by encoder
we fear god because others than behold a power over us in the false name of his. and the others keep the power and the name.

lol. Who said anything about fearing God? Your post if full of simplistic over-generalizations of religion. I don't fear God, I love God.

And perhaps you should too!

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my messages usually have many ties whit other topics like ufos, technology, 9/11, conspiracies, illuminati, and so on. i try to have a deeper, alchimistric view of things.

and who sad that i dont love GOD. my GOD. he'll be the one who'll teach us how to really Create. because the act oh creation holds the most joy and happiness in pure naked form. especially when in the end you look back and recall the experience, and finally say "it was damn good!" i envy GOD, but understand the difference between likeing and exactly like HE.

Originally posted by jedimiller
All horror films are evil. Why is it ok to see someone get cut up and killed in a horror movie but not in real life? Because those movies, video games and things of violence in the media are the pure evil. not religion. You don't see pastors telling people to go kill and spread pure evil. But in films you do see that.

So nobody gets killed in Star Wars then? It doesn't matter if it's a gory death in a horror film or a sanitized laser gun or light saber in a PG-rated movie. Either way it's killing.

A grounded, good person who's confident with their spirituality and morality is in absolutely no way endangered or brainwashed by art.

Originally posted by danx

Intelligent Design? You mean Creationism don't you?

The Bible teaches reproduction after their kind and this is the only form of "evolution" for which we find evidence in the fossil record (micro-evolution)

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Here is what Dawkins closest Colleague had to say about his book God Delusion, this guy is an Atheist too by the way.

He has not done any original work on the subject and he has not fairly represented the work of his colleagues." Rather, Dawkins has subjected his atheist readers to "sleights of hand." He has produced a "diatribe against religion" that is "deeply misinformed." Indeed he is "just another angry atheist trading on his reputation as an evolutionst and spokesperson for science to vent his personal opinions about religion."

Since Darwin was ambivalent about his Religous roots he merely did the same thing Dawkins is doing. Using evolution to inject the religion of Atheism in public Schools. By the way, Atheism IS a religion and that is one court battle Atheists fought tooth and nail and LOST.

Now all we have to do is rename this country the United States of Christianity! Ha ha ha Naw I know that you Athiests would be holding your left arm in cardiac arrest LOL

As for Dickie boy,, (Dawkins) I have read all his books and attended one of his lectures. I find him to be an eloquent speaker and an intelligent man however his religion of Atheism is a bias one can not ignore. His hatred for Religion alone indicates his objectivity like Darwin is flawed.

You Atheists eat this stuff up and all act like you are wannabe kitchen scientists when what you are is a bunch of rude vitriolic angry people who talk more about God and Religion then Christians do. Albeit not in the same Context.

a read from his book Tells us he bends his interpretations to fit his theory.

We note that this discussion is focused on living organisms that, obvious, already exist. In other words, we are far away from why there is something instead of nothing and how life came to be in the first place: we already have a digital code—we have an illusion of design. But why call such obvious design an illusion? The design is so obvious that atheists, in the guise of science, have to talk themselves, and their students, into not engaging the issue in an honest and intelligent manner:
Richard Dawkins, “The Blind Watchmaker,” p. 1,

“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.”
Francis Crick, “What Mad Pursuit,” p. 138,

“Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”

Biologists must constantly keep in mind what!!??
who says so?? HIM?? This guy wouldn't believe in a creator if his life depended on it even IF a creator was responsible for it.

Another quote from dawkins

Prof. Dawkins then makes the following polemical point:

“it’s not useful to challenge an individual biologist’s ingenuity in thinking up what particular intermediates might have looked like because we don’t…I mean maybe we’re not ingenious enough to think what they arewe shouldn’t in any case be saying, ‘Oh, I can’t think what the explanation for it is, therefore it must have been designed.’ There’s a fatal weakness in any argument which says, ‘I cannot understand how X could have happened, therefore it must have been designed’[…]It’s that element of giving up. It’s that element of defeatism. Saying, ‘I can’t understand how it works. Well, let’s fall back on the design explanation.’”

Prof. Dawkins appears to be arguing against his own world view.

Here again Prof. Dawkins has written

“Chance, luck, coincidence, miracle…events that we commonly call miracles are not supernatural, but are part of a spectrum of more-or-less improbable natural events. A miracle, in other words, if it occurs at all, is a tremendous stoke of luck.”

But what of his own view of origins?

“It is as though, in our theory of how we came to exist, we are allowed to postulate a certain ration of luck.”

Luck?? ha ha ha

As for God, Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of his absence

- Con




[edit on 20-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

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not quite right .

but near (at least in my point of view)

the pastor gives you reason to kill:

Kill in the name of god, because that man have sinned against us and god, and does not deserves to live!

the movies give you the way how to kill.

Get behind, him take yr sword, be careful not to alert him and chop his had of. or simply shoot him in the head.

it is just an analogy between a real killer mind and and what movies and priests might cause. as a killer needs the reason and the tool.