Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Of course "God told me" is the ultimate of excuses to do what you want.
I'm glad you realize this, it's important for the next point:
Problem is that religions in some cases haven't done anything to end that intolerance and have promoted even more
Because they are human?
I don't dispute that men do bad things no matter what their religious beliefs are, but I would like to quote Blaise Pascal here: Men never do evil
so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
We know men do bad things, but let's not let them use the cover of religion and 'sacred' beliefs to protect and justify those things.
And since you acknowledge that the "god told me" provides the ultimate excuse, we should all, atheists and theists, speak against that sort of
mentality and rhetoric.
And that's all I'm doing. I don't really care what are your personal beliefs or what religion you follow, as long as they don't interfere with my
choices/beliefs/etc and very importantly, because this affects current affairs, they don't shape world politics.
Everyone, atheists and theists, should have been outraged with President Bush's "god told me to invade Iraq
", as they should be when other
extremists resort to religion to promote and justify their actions. Were you?
Sorry in this comment I see what I see happening on the Religious side as well.
It's called excuses and justification of ones side.
There's no excuses and justification in my post, I'm only telling it how I see it. And I never said atheists just for being atheists never do any
evil or intolerance, so why should I be making up excuses?
Here's what I said that you apparently decided to remove from my quote in your post: "Obviously that there are always people, no matter what
religious or political mindset they have, who do things mean-spiritedly.
It's a natural thing we do when factionalising.
No offense meant but that is what I see.
Why should I be offended with someone with a different view than mine? It's not like my beliefs and opinions are sacred
that can't be
contested or discussed
NO ONE is aligned with a side they believe are worthless and morally corrupt. But yet many have. There is always some justification.
"God told me to do it", "that's what the Bible says", etc.
I thank you for helping my point that we shouldn't also
allow for religion and religious beliefs to provide such justification
Do you honestly think the Nazi's really thought they were evil?
Not saying atheism is evil please don't get me wrong.
Just using a very visible and extreme example.
Your analogy isn't valid in my opinion, because first of all, Nazi Germany wasn't an atheist state, and secondly, the Nazis didn't do what they did
because they were atheists. They didn't use atheism as a justification to do the things they did.
And no, I don't get you wrong. I understand that you're not saying that atheism is evil, but I was hoping that you had understood that I wasn't
saying religion was.
I'm not against religion, I'm against religion being used as cover for intolerance, atrocities, injustice, discrimination, and everything else we as
a society should fight against. You and other 'believers' should also be outraged by this, and I think since you're an intelligent and impartial
person, you are.
Too much damn factionalism within the human animal.
You naturally don't see it in your own group (Atheism) because your one of them. But like I said I have seen it and more than a few "outsiders".
But like I said no offense meant.
Me being an atheist has nothing to do with what I wrote in the previous post.
It's just that as an atheist, when I see religious pretexts being used as justification it means absolutely squat to me, and I'll objectively (try
to) evaluate the message.
Of course that as being an atheist I can't help but scoff at any attempt of passing religion as if it was a seal for righteousness