I know that the theme of these boards are leaned towards accepting conspiracies, but I am noticing a trend in the 911 conspiracies, I think most of those who want to believe it is an inside job are not even living or from America, and have no firsthand knowledge of the events of that day, or the events leading to the war in Iraq. I feel the real conspiracy here is to promote anti american feelings amongst those whose participate in this forum. I am an American, and I watched live television as the events of 911 unfolded, I had family in both Washington and New York. Airplanes, not drones, not military, just regular passenger planes hit the WTC. It was horrific. I suspect, as I have mentioned in another post, that our government made the desicion to shoot down flight 93 to stop it from being used as a weapon, as the other planes were. I believe they sacrificed the lives of all on that plane to save the lives of those who may have been the target of that plane. But for goodness sakes people get a grip, I see 'proof' after so called 'proof' on here of NOTHING. Just theory, and for the most part the theory is made up by persons who are not American. Another telling truth to the story is the attempt made on the WTC before 911, by Osama Bin Laden, and Al Queda. Admittedly. They admit to both attempts, and take much pride in their killings. That is fact. Not theory. Jeez. What is the average age of the people posting these theories I wonder? Isreal using remote control planes to crash into the WTC.............LOL!

[edit on 23-2-2008 by space cadet]

Originally posted by space cadet
I am an American, and I watched live television as the events of 911 unfolded, I had family in both Washington and New York. Airplanes, not drones, not military, just regular passenger planes hit the WTC. It was horrific.

So you believe everything you see and hear on TV ?

Too bad there is no real evidence released of these planes hitting the buildings.

Originally posted by space cadet
There is real evidence. And no I do not believe everything I see or hear on television. I had family in New York. I had 3 family members who stood below the planes and saw them hit the buildings. They saw passenger planes.

But what planes hit the buidlings ? We have no evdience of what flights they were ? The FBI and FAA are not releasing serial and part numebrs so we can match the parts found to any of the 9/11 planes.

We have lots of reports that state the buildings survived the planes impacts and that the fires did not get hot enough or burn long enough to casue the collapse.

Originally posted by space cadet
I am sorry , but if it takes debate to make you understand that what you saw really happened, and it happened the way you saw it, then I feel really sorry for you.

No it takes something called facts and evidence. Something that we do not have a lot of for 9/11.



[edit on 23-2-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by space cadetAnd do you REALLY believe the buildings didn't even fall? Let me tell you dear, they did fall down.

Gee, where did i say the buildings didn't fall? I stated the fact that you cannot post any real evidnece of what caused the towers to collapse. And what flights hit the buildings.

As for witnesses, the witnesses at the Pentagon could not agree on what type of plane they saw and a witness admitted he did not know what hit the Pentagon he was told later it was a 757. Witness testimony like that would get torn apart in court.

I have seen no actaul photo or video of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

There is no released reports of any of the parts found matching any of the 9/11 planes.





[edit on 23-2-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Hi captainobvious/Spacecadet/weedwhacker. Please stop trolling my threads saying we are ridiculous or the evidence presented is fraudulent.

Ivanzana, I have to say you post the most intensely thought provoking stuff and I also have to say thanks for that

Much of this is far from being at odds with what I think is possibly at the real heart of the whole 9/11 affair.

[edit on 23/2/2008 by Pilgrum]

Ivan, ignore these guys who have closed minds..they are not worth the effort to keep refuting because they do not have the honor to admit that they are wrong and make no sense.

Daniel Lewin is a KEY to all of this. He HADS to go because he no doubt was the mastermind behind the implementaion of the GAME plan and when the perps turned it LIVE from a GAME Lewin would have known that the only way was by his own Mossad boys and the Neocons, and perhaps..just maybe he was an honest man who would not have kept quiet about the fact that HIS computer skills and insider status had been used to perpetrate a crime of great dimensions.

How come we NEVER hear these official story drones answering us as to WHy the FBI would say that Lewin was shot in the head, when Amy Sweeny said he was stabbed? NO GUN was mentioned at any time, nor was there any mention by Amy or Betty of any gunshots heard or seen. But somehow Lewin gets the only shot from the only gun never found or seen or heard..if THAT does not send up a red flag then whoever is looking is asleep or has blinders on so tight that only the official fairy tale can be heard any more.

If a passenger plane had a BOMB like Amy said the highjackers were kind enough to show her( an obvious ploy and fake )..and a gun was fired and a passenger killed, there would be the sound of people yelling and crying and wailing and trying to call loved ones..but all we hear is silence in the background and Betty talking like she is at a coffee klatch..and AMY did not show ANY emotion in her call whatsoever..but she DID show emotion in an earlier call before the event to her kid, who she had missed seeing off. If not seeing your kid off gets you all teary eyed, but a highjacking with dead bodies and gunshots and stabbing and mace and bombs does not even arous a little fear in her voice? Gimme a break. These official story sheep will believe ANY ridiculous scenario as long as at the end of it their preconceived notions are still intact.

We KNOW that the Israeli's had a major part in this, it is plain and clear. Abundant evidence suggest exactly what happened, all that is needed is to fill in a few details and the case is wrapped. But since the perps control the media and flow of evidence and have obstructed justice totally, it is hard to get it in front of the people, who would smell a rat as soon as the first HUNDRED ' inexplicable anomalies ' are discussed. The other few hundred " I.A.'s " would just be icing on the cake. only a bold and outrageous bunch could pull this off, and who is more bold and devious and scheming than the Neocon/Israeli gang? No one.

ONLY Israel and the Neocons had all the pieces in place and the motive, means and opportunity. That is called the elements of a crime, and so far it looks like the perps are well known and identified; all we need is for one insider to come clean..but it took just a few to pull this off, and Lewin was one of them. He had to go, as he was probably in a position to spill the beans and was not a part of the inner circle, thus a danger to them.

IOGNORE these silly posters who constantly demand that WE disprove the obvioous and satisfy them..they will NEVER accept the truth, for various reasons. There are a few open minds out there are they will ask intelligent qiestions and not try to refute obviously sound evidence at every step. Just present the material and ignore the hopeless.

originally posted by IvanZana

The only thing magical is your sense of logic when it comes to your baseless comments.

But really, Boone if you watched the video and read the evidence presented you would ask for an appology for your ignorance in these threads.

You're funny!

I wasn't replying to you.